Vecna, Where is he now?
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foehammerx
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Last Published Reference for Vecna said he resides on the prime material plane (Oerth or Oerthspace presumably).He maintains a hidden citadel (Some form of Citadel Cavitius for certain)
Jürgen Hubert
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Let's get back to the Sigil part. I know little of Greyhawk, but I do a lot more about Planescape. So, how did he kick the Lady of Pain's butt?
Li Shenron
Legend
rounser said:
You know, when I first read this sentence I wondered for a few seconds... Weis and Hickman, which pantheon could have so silly names for deities
Voadam
Legend
Jürgen Hubert said:
He gave up his godhood temporarily so he could enter sigil where no gods could go. Then I forget what he did to soup himself up once inside, I think it might have involved the True Language. But it did throw down the lady and set him up to attempt to recreate the multiverse, but some heros have an opportunity to get involved and partially save the universe although I would think some things are still affected, which led the way to 3e conversion and Vecna being a god in Greyhawk again.
OMG!Henry said:Spoilers for Return to the Tomb of Horrors, Vecna Lives! Vecna Reborn! and Die, Vecna, Die!
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Vecna was already a demigod due to his worshippers waaay back in Vecna Lives! He hatched a plan to become the only Greater God on Greyhawk, through the powers of the Tovag Baragu stone circle. Thanks to timely intervention by Iuz, he was banished (along with Iuz).
He next shows up in Ravenloft leading armies eternally against Kas in his own little Prisoner domain, attached to Kas's little prisoner domain. Vecna hatches another plan (sucessfully!) to escape his domain. To my knowledge, he is the ONLY dark power to ever successfully escape his domain.
He THEN comes up with a plan to enter Sigil (Planescape setting). He kicks the Lady of Pain's butt (sacrilege to many gamers, I know), and (I'm a little fuzzy on this part) successfully uses the power gained to re-enter Greyhawk, only as a Greater God. This is the position he takes in the Pantheon as of the 3E PHB.
Vecna as written makes the ambitions of Elminster and Larloch (or Forgotten Realms) look petty. The only former mortal who rivals Vecna's level of ambition is Acererak, from Return to the Tomb of Horrors, who strove to BECOME the Negative Material Plane.
Darklone, which Ravenloft book are you referring to? The 2E or 3E version? If they still have him in the 3E book, then someone at Sword and Sorcery may be ret-conning the "Vecna!" series. I tend to believe the PHB, myself.
Vecna is the "Samuel Height" of DnD!!!
For those who don't know, Sam was a NPC in White Wolf that eventually managed to either become or use the powers of almost every critter type in White Wolf's games. I think they finally killed him off in a module before he could become a Changeling, though.
Shemeska
Adventurer
My haet of DVD knows no end
The module is trash, let's get that out in the open as the prosecution's exhibit 1.
However, Vecna doesn't kick The Lady's butt. The Lady doesn't do anything once Vecna gets inside, or at least doesn't obliterate him in a nanosecond because doing so would cause damage to the multiverse itself (and remove the need for PCs, so logic fails us and we get an adventure).
At the end of the module, Vecna is unceremoniously ejected from Sigil, bleeds off most of his gained divinity and ends up only a lesser god (and Iuz breaks free from where he had been absorbed by Vecna). Finally, Her Serenity reorders the multiverse.
Though it's important to note that absolutely none of the cosmology changes described in the final pages of Die Vecna Die are those that actually occured between 2e and 3e, not a single one of them. None of the events in the module have been carried over as canon in either Planescape, or Greyhawk (which is all WotC is really handling, having sold RL), and outside of Vecna being back in Greyhawk and no longer a demigod, there's literally -nothing- from the module that has been carried over. They didn't even mention the event in the Planar Handbook's information on Sigil, and considering the destruction that occured in DVD, it'd be impossible to simply omit any reference. Unless it was being retconned or utterly ignored as having ever happened, which it seems to have been.
For what it's worth, Planewalker's take on the module, in chapter 6 of our releases, takes a sort of middle ground compromise that has the events taking place, but ignores the ooc reasoning given some of them (which trashed certain elements of Planescape). We try to avoid ignoring it completely, but going along with the theme of the setting: ie it happened, but it may have been intentionally allowed to happen for reasons we simply don't have the scope of time to understand. While Sigil may have never been in actual danger, Vecna's rise in power may have set into motion events that may in eons or longer stop something worse from happening. Who knows but the Bladed Queen, and She isn't talking certainly. There's plenty of IC speculation in our take on it.
Jürgen Hubert said:
The module is trash, let's get that out in the open as the prosecution's exhibit 1.
However, Vecna doesn't kick The Lady's butt. The Lady doesn't do anything once Vecna gets inside, or at least doesn't obliterate him in a nanosecond because doing so would cause damage to the multiverse itself (and remove the need for PCs, so logic fails us and we get an adventure).
At the end of the module, Vecna is unceremoniously ejected from Sigil, bleeds off most of his gained divinity and ends up only a lesser god (and Iuz breaks free from where he had been absorbed by Vecna). Finally, Her Serenity reorders the multiverse.
Though it's important to note that absolutely none of the cosmology changes described in the final pages of Die Vecna Die are those that actually occured between 2e and 3e, not a single one of them. None of the events in the module have been carried over as canon in either Planescape, or Greyhawk (which is all WotC is really handling, having sold RL), and outside of Vecna being back in Greyhawk and no longer a demigod, there's literally -nothing- from the module that has been carried over. They didn't even mention the event in the Planar Handbook's information on Sigil, and considering the destruction that occured in DVD, it'd be impossible to simply omit any reference. Unless it was being retconned or utterly ignored as having ever happened, which it seems to have been.
For what it's worth, Planewalker's take on the module, in chapter 6 of our releases, takes a sort of middle ground compromise that has the events taking place, but ignores the ooc reasoning given some of them (which trashed certain elements of Planescape). We try to avoid ignoring it completely, but going along with the theme of the setting: ie it happened, but it may have been intentionally allowed to happen for reasons we simply don't have the scope of time to understand. While Sigil may have never been in actual danger, Vecna's rise in power may have set into motion events that may in eons or longer stop something worse from happening. Who knows but the Bladed Queen, and She isn't talking certainly. There's plenty of IC speculation in our take on it.
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