VoP vs. Call Weapon

[Artoomis]

......Or a house rule that says that someone with Sacred Vow no longer needs a holy symbol- the power of the vow itself acts as a direct channel to the divine force to whom the vow is sworn, and when needed, a holy symbol simply manifests...

That actually neatly solves the AoP problem, if we ignore the bit about using magic items of protection.

 

[Artoomis]

Holy symbol has to be destoryed, stolen, ect ect.

So you cant carve out human flesh in your games? A holy symbol carved in thier own flesh can be destoryed and or stolen by the blade of a sword, whip, ect ect.

---Rusty

Now you have to make up another whole set of rules for it. Rules already exist for taking or sundering an item.

No - carving out human flesh is not allowed - not even an appealing subject to dicuss.

 

[DungeonMaester]

Now you have to make up another whole set of rules for it. Rules already exist for taking or sundering an item.

No - carving out human flesh is not allowed - not even an appealing subject to dicuss.

Becuase that would be to hard to do flavor and pre-existing rules.

---Rusty

 

[Artoomis]

Becuase that would be to hard to do flavor and pre-existing rules.

---Rusty

Man, is i just me? I am having trouble understanding some of your remarks today. I don't mean agreeing or disagreeing, I mean actually knowing what you are trying to say.

 

[irdeggman]

You know that the other possibility is that the Apostle of Peace was not supposed to have the Vow of Poverty as a prerequisite in the first place.

Reading over the class I find nothing in its description that would indicate that Poverty is a major focus of the class.

Vow of Peace and Vow of Non-Violence sure, but not Vow of Peace.

So if that is a "typo" {gosh imagine that an editorial error in a WotC book } and it is removed (note that the prequisite requirements will still keep a character from qualifying before 5th level (10 ranks in Concentration will do that)) then all of the class features work fine as written.

 

[DungeonMaester]

You know that the other possibility is that the Apostle of Peace was not supposed to have the Vow of Poverty as a prerequisite in the first place.

Reading over the class I find nothing in its description that would indicate that Poverty is a major focus of the class.

Vow of Peace and Vow of Non-Violence sure, but not Vow of Peace.

So if that is a "typo" {gosh imagine that an editorial error in a WotC book } and it is removed (note that the prequisite requirements will still keep a character from qualifying before 5th level (10 ranks in Concentration will do that)) then all of the class features work fine as written.

Another simple house rule.

 

[Artoomis]

You know that the other possibility is that the Apostle of Peace was not supposed to have the Vow of Poverty as a prerequisite in the first place.

Reading over the class I find nothing in its description that would indicate that Poverty is a major focus of the class.

Vow of Peace and Vow of Non-Violence sure, but not Vow of Peace.

So if that is a "typo" {gosh imagine that an editorial error in a WotC book } and it is removed (note that the prequisite requirements will still keep a character from qualifying before 5th level (10 ranks in Concentration will do that)) then all of the class features work fine as written.

By golly you're right! I suppose that could be the error.

 

[irdeggman]

Another simple house rule.

True enough, but in this case one of the two is wrong since they conflict.

Either the VoP is incorrect (but that has been confirmed as correct repeatedly by WotC) or the Apostle of Peace Prestige class is incorrect. The latter has not been addressed by wotC yet.

Preponderance of evidence leads to me to the conclusion that the AoP is incorrect and thus what would be a house-rule (since there is no "official" clarification on it via WotC).

And thus the "inconsistency" goes away - due to an editorial error (as yet unrecognized via WotC).

 

[Musrum]

True enough, but in this case one of the two is wrong since they conflict.

Either the VoP is incorrect (but that has been confirmed as correct repeatedly by WotC) or the Apostle of Peace Prestige class is incorrect. The latter has not been addressed by wotC yet.

Preponderance of evidence leads to me to the conclusion that the AoP is incorrect and thus what would be a house-rule (since there is no "official" clarification on it via WotC).

And thus the "inconsistency" goes away - due to an editorial error (as yet unrecognized via WotC).

WotC have never said that VoP is "correct", they have mearly confirmed the RAW. They are obviously not in a position to change these broken rules, so they are stuck with recommending "house rules".

 

[irdeggman]

WotC have never said that VoP is "correct", they have mearly confirmed the RAW. They are obviously not in a position to change these broken rules, so they are stuck with recommending "house rules".

Would that be counting the FAQ and Save my Game Articles? Don't just rely on the customer service reply which went by RAW alone. All of those sources have reinforced the VoP restriction on divine foci. When I said WotC had repeatedly reinforced this I was including all of the sources mentioned not just the customer service response.

FAQ (i.e., Sage Advice) has repeatedly changed rules via errata in the past.