Wall of Ice Spell Use....

[noeuphoria]

“Especially given that the orca breathes air, and the spell duration will end long before being out of the water causes it a problem.”

All true, but even THAT should not be a concern- it is not like summoning spells are generally used to bring the creature for a snack and play. 95% of the time they are put in severe harm’s way. I always find it highly questionable that they are not evil spells. They sure aren’t very “good” to the targets…

The water creatures only in water is a very lame part of summoning, I agree totally.

It's not really evil, because the monster doesn't die if it is killed, it just pops back into where it was. Now... GATING in a creature and having it get killed could piss off its friends from wherever land. Just the whole summoning thing makes me wonder though.. wouldn't it suck to be a celestial animal? You're just sitting up in celestia, chilling, maybe having some celestial cheese fries, and then some dumbass group summons you to help fight Gorgaxx, the fiendish great red wyrm. Of course you die painfully, and then pop back into celestia, where your buddy managed to finish off those cheese fries whilst you were getting owned.

 

[Destil]

No, the worst part of summoning is the inability to summon air elementals in the air.

 

[rich]

It's not really evil, because the monster doesn't die if it is killed, it just pops back into where it was. Now... GATING in a creature and having it get killed could piss off its friends from wherever land. Just the whole summoning thing makes me wonder though.. wouldn't it suck to be a celestial animal? You're just sitting up in celestia, chilling, maybe having some celestial cheese fries, and then some dumbass group summons you to help fight Gorgaxx, the fiendish great red wyrm. Of course you die painfully, and then pop back into celestia, where your buddy managed to finish off those cheese fries whilst you were getting owned.

could someone please tell me why people claim summoned creatures don't really die? I've heard this before, but I haven't read it anywhere (or I did and forgot). I kind of like the moral dilemna of how to treat your summoned creatures -- having them not die reduces them to mere fodder (which I suppose is the point)...

 

[Hypersmurf]

could someone please tell me why people claim summoned creatures don't really die? I've heard this before, but I haven't read it anywhere (or I did and forgot). I kind of like the moral dilemna of how to treat your summoned creatures -- having them not die reduces them to mere fodder (which I suppose is the point)...

From the Schools of Magic section of the Magic chapter:

Summoning: A summoning spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place you designate. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from, but a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this. A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower. It is not really dead. It takes 24 hours for the creature to reform, during which time it can’t be summoned again.

-Hyp.

 

[rich]

From the Schools of Magic section of the Magic chapter:

Summoning: A summoning spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place you designate. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from, but a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this. A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower. It is not really dead. It takes 24 hours for the creature to reform, during which time it can’t be summoned again.

-Hyp.

ahaa! thanks very much!

 

[der_kluge]

Eh, *shrug*, I would allow someone in my game to summon an orca whale into a hallway if they wanted to.

It's a game - right, and isn't the point to have fun? I can't imagine anything funnier than that. I tend to reward players for being inventive. That would certainly make for a memorable encounter.

 

[Darklone]

I don't bother with summoning orca whales and octopi (yeahyeah I know you don't use the real plural).

I think having a monk1/druid who wildshapes into a giant octopus on land plus Animal Growth, Barkskin and GMF with 8 attacks is worse. Ah. Reach 40 feat. Combat Reflexes. Hehehe. Possible at level 10. Would you call that a smackdown?