Wands? - Anyone use?

[Tatsukun]

Wasn't the errata exactly the other way around?

Just to be sure, the current, official version is, that you need to be 17th (caster) level to create a Pearl of Power, right?

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Thanee

No, the Errata fixed that (as per what Monte wanted). To make a pearl of power, you have to be whatever level you have to be to cast the required spells. If you find one in a random treasure, assume it's CL 17.

Caster Level
Dungeon Master’s Guide, page 215
Problem: The last two sentences in the section on Caster
Level are ambiguous and potentially misleading.
Solution: Replace with this text: For other magic items, the
caster level is determined by the creator. The minimum caster
level is that which is needed to meet the prerequisites given.

-Tatsu

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Actually, the quoted passage doesn't say that - it makes no mention that the participating creator must be a spellcaster. Even if you wanted to read that "with each participant contributing one or more requirements" literally, contributing XP is contributing a requirement - in fact, it goes on to mention the term as "XP required."

Hrm. I hadn't noticed this implication. I may need to talk with our party wizard. Also note that this helps out a lot with items that require skills or feats. Need 10 ranks in Ride? Draft the fighter into the creation process!

 

[Hypersmurf]

Actually, the quoted passage doesn't say that - it makes no mention that the participating creator must be a spellcaster. Even if you wanted to read that "with each participant contributing one or more requirements" literally, contributing XP is contributing a requirement - in fact, it goes on to mention the term as "XP required."

Yes and no.

"If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item."

What's the caster level of the guy supplying the XP?

Also note that this helps out a lot with items that require skills or feats. Need 10 ranks in Ride? Draft the fighter into the creation process!

Although not "Creator must be a dwarf"... since the creator again determines caster level.

My personal house rule for Boots and Cloak of Elvenkind is to change "Creator must be an elf" to "Creator must be an elf or item must be made out of an elf".

-Hyp.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Hrm. I hadn't noticed this implication. I may need to talk with our party wizard. Also note that this helps out a lot with items that require skills or feats. Need 10 ranks in Ride? Draft the fighter into the creation process!

One minor point.

Most items - all of them that I could find, in fact - have wording to the effect of:

Elixir of Swimming: This elixir bestows swimming ability. An almost imperceptible magic sheath surrounds the drinker, allowing him to glide through the water easily (+10 competence bonus on Swim checks for 1 hour).

Faint illusion; CL 2nd; Craft Wondrous Item, creator must have 5 ranks in the Swim skill; Price 250 gp.

So, drafting in the Fighter generally wouldn't help, as it would run into the caster level problem.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

double post

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Although not "Creator must be a dwarf"... since the creator again determines caster level.

Tell me if this, then, would fly:

Paladin wants to create a Pearl of Divine Favor. Of course, as a paladin his caster level is terrible. So he gets together with his wizard buddy who has the feat Craft Wondrous Item. Then they split things up like this:

Paladin supplies spell.
Paladin supplies XP.
Wizard supplies feat.
Wizard is the "creator"...and thus the caster level of Divine Favor as cast by the Pearl is based on his caster level, even though the paladin is the one supplying the spell...

Is this possible?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Paladin supplies XP..
Wizard is the "creator"...

If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item.

-Hyp.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item.

Yes, I read the quote.

The reason I brought up the example is because it seemed peculiar to me that the duo could use the paladin's spell (something the wizard has no access to,) and the wizard's caster level (even though he will not and cannot cast the spell in question).

By the quote you quoted (twice ), it seems legal, but it stuck me as so odd when I thought of it that I thought there might be another bit of text elsewhere disallowing it. Perhaps clarifying that the caster level must come from whomsoever is actually casting the spell.

Edit: Ah, I see what you're getting at. Say the wizard pays the XP, then. That wasn't really the key aspect of the example I was curious about, as noted above.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The reason I brought up the example is because it seemed peculiar to me that the duo could use the paladin's spell (something the wizard has no access to,) and the wizard's caster level (even though he will not and cannot cast the spell in question).

That appears correct, as long as the wizard pays the XP.

It also means that when a cleric and a wizard team up to scribe a scroll, the nature of the scroll (arcane or divine) is dependent on who pays the XP, rather than who has the feat (as I've assumed in the past).

-Hyp.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

That appears correct, as long as the wizard pays the XP.

It also means that when a cleric and a wizard team up to scribe a scroll, the nature of the scroll (arcane or divine) is dependent on who pays the XP, rather than who has the feat (as I've assumed in the past).

Sweet. I like this. It opens up a lot of interesting opportunities.