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Warforged and Liches???

GrandArchon

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Just an interesting questioned that popped into my mind while considering the concept of a Warforged Necromancer. Now, of course, DMs get to house rule things like this (and from experience, Lichdom and wether or not PCs can achieve it has always been something heavily house-ruled), but I was wondering if there was already some rule or passage that states if Warforged can become Liches and what happens to their bodies if they do? I assumed that they could, and that their biological components (wood and fiber) would simply rot away leaving an empty but animated metal shell.
 

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There is nothing I know of that would stop a Warforged from becoming a Lich.. and it would be interesting to challenge the PCs with what may appear to be an animated object of some kind :)
 

stonegod

Spawn of Khyber/LEB Judge
Strictly speaking, no. The lich template is humanoid only. Then there is the fact that they are immune to energy drain. But, the can be raised so there is something in there.

So, but most known ways, its generally not possible. But I had a warforged that was looking into unknown ways... :)
 

Glyfair

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stonegod said:
Strictly speaking, no. The lich template is humanoid only. Then there is the fact that they are immune to energy drain. But, the can be raised so there is something in there.

Yup. In fact, I don't believe there are any undead that warforged may become, by the RAW. Constructs just aren't targets for undead templates (otherwise you'd see undead golems).

Skeletons & Zombies might be allowed, depending on the definition of "creature with skeletal structure" but I think it's generally been shot down.
 

GrandArchon

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D'oh.

stonegod said:
Strictly speaking, no. The lich template is humanoid only. Then there is the fact that they are immune to energy drain. But, the can be raised so there is something in there.

So, but most known ways, its generally not possible. But I had a warforged that was looking into unknown ways... :)

*Checks the source books*

...

:):):):) it.

You're right. Warforged are constructs with the living construct sub-type, so with a humanoid template only... Oh well. Lichdom isn't the only way to diefication. More than one way to skin a halfling, if you catch my meaning. I'll just have to make him a very unpleasant generalist wizard then. But thank you for the clarification.
 

Shayuri

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One question. Why?

Warforged are already immortal, which is the primary reason it seems most casters become liches. Better yet, they don't have LA...which hits spellcasters hard.

Granted, liches do come back after dying...but there's ways warforged can cheat for similar effects (Clone, Contingent Raises or Rezzes, etc). A Gm might even let a warforged create a phylactery (for a similar cost and LA as a lich) and get the infinite comebacks that liches enjoy. Whether or not they get the other lich goodies, and how that affects the LA, is an exercise for the GM and player. :)
 


stonegod

Spawn of Khyber/LEB Judge
GrandArchon said:
Yeah, it was for the phylactery and the Lich goodies. I know about clone- But what are Contingent Raises and Rezzes?
Contingency spells tied to raise deads or resurrections.
 

Drowbane

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Night of the Unliving Constructs!

GrandArchon said:
*Checks the source books*

Deathmaster (Dragon Compendium vol 1), much like the Dread Necromancer (Heroes of Horror) gives Lichdom as its level 20. However, unlike the Dread Necromancer, the Deathmaster's ability specifies that its Lichdom ignores the humanoid requirement of the template.

So you have to be C/E and worship Orcus? Some might consider those perks :p
 

Shayuri

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I was actually thinking Raise Dead or Resurrection crafted as a contingent spell...a theurge of some kind of could put Raise Dead on Contingency, but Rezz has too high a level.

Craft Contingent Spell and a handy cleric cohort though...now we're talking. :)
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary has the dread lich template, which is not only more powerful than a standard lich, but can also be applied to any living creature, which I'd say includes Constructs with the Living subtype.
 

stonegod

Spawn of Khyber/LEB Judge
Drowbane said:
So you have to be C/E and worship Orcus? Some might consider those perks :p
Assuming Orcus exists in Eberron, which is a DM-by-DM thing (just because it *can* doesn't mean it *does*).
 

Drowbane

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stonegod said:
Assuming Orcus exists in Eberron, which is a DM-by-DM thing (just because it *can* doesn't mean it *does*).

That logic applies to every campaign, regardless of setting.

And for that matter, if you're going to get into the "individual DM" arguement, it would seem to me to be about whether the DM wants to use the new Base Class, not so much what Evil being powers it. Or for that matter that it remains the purview of an Evil god-demigod-demonlord-whatever.

Orcus
Vol or perhaps one of the Dark Six?
 
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Kaodi

Adventurer
I think a warforged " lich " would be like a new variety of contruct with its own unique powers and abilities.
 

GrandArchon

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Drowbane said:
Deathmaster (Dragon Compendium vol 1), much like the Dread Necromancer (Heroes of Horror) gives Lichdom as its level 20. However, unlike the Dread Necromancer, the Deathmaster's ability specifies that its Lichdom ignores the humanoid requirement of the template.

So you have to be C/E and worship Orcus? Some might consider those perks :p

Erk- I'm strictly anti-Chaotic with all my characters. I just don't like their personalities. Evil, yes I'm absolutely fine with (I wouldn't want a warforged Lich if I wasn't!), and as other people have pointed out- Orcus may not exist.
 

GrandArchon

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Alzrius said:
Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary has the dread lich template, which is not only more powerful than a standard lich, but can also be applied to any living creature, which I'd say includes Constructs with the Living subtype.

But- I don't have it. Blast. 18$... Would it be cheating if I asked you for an excert containing the Mechanics for the Dread Lich?
 

pawsplay

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Hey.. wouldn't a warforged be eligible for the Liber Mortis feat that lets you heal from negative energy/be hurt by positive energy as an undead?

I'm picturing a warforged necromancer, maybe with a shield guardian that looks just like him, accompanied by a flesh golem with a warforged arm, and zombies ... pretty cool notion.
 

shilsen

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Shayuri said:
Warforged are already immortal, which is the primary reason it seems most casters become liches. Better yet, they don't have LA...which hits spellcasters hard.

Just one comment on a minor point - in the Eberron setting, warforged haven't been around long enough for anyone to know if they are immortal or not. People may theorize that they are, but there's no proof one way or the other. I think I recall Keith Baker reiterating that on one of those FAQ threads he did on the WotC boards too.
 

Drowbane

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GrandArchon said:
Erk- I'm strictly anti-Chaotic with all my characters. I just don't like their personalities. Evil, yes I'm absolutely fine with (I wouldn't want a warforged Lich if I wasn't!), and as other people have pointed out- Orcus may not exist.

C/E and Orcus are just part of the flavor. Change to suit your campaign. Its fun and easy for the whole family!
 


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