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Warforged: Like them or loathe them?
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Henry
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I choose option 4: I am totally indifferent to whether they are there or not. Warforged are a fine character concept, as long as people would drop the darned "robot" jokes. 
A "retooled" warforged (no pun intended) for default 4th edition wouldn't hurt me in the least, but I can live without them, too.
A "retooled" warforged (no pun intended) for default 4th edition wouldn't hurt me in the least, but I can live without them, too.
WhimsyTheFae
Explorer
Who says they're jokes?Henry said:I choose option 4: I am totally indifferent to whether they are there or not. Warforged are a fine character concept, as long as people would drop the darned "robot" jokes.
Thornir Alekeg
Albatross!
I have no problem with Warforged for Eberron. I suspected it might end up in the PHB for one simple reason: if they don't include it, a decent portion of gamers using Eberron won't convert to 4e until they release the 4e setting book.
Frankly I was surprised to see FR as the first campaign book. I think that setting will convert over to 4e a heck of a lot easier than Eberron will, so FR players could convert and keep playing without needing a new setting book right away. Not so for many Eberron players. I expect many Eberron campaigns will remain 3.5 for some time after 4e comes out.
Frankly I was surprised to see FR as the first campaign book. I think that setting will convert over to 4e a heck of a lot easier than Eberron will, so FR players could convert and keep playing without needing a new setting book right away. Not so for many Eberron players. I expect many Eberron campaigns will remain 3.5 for some time after 4e comes out.
HeapThaumaturgist
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Conceptually, the Warforged are great and fun for Eberron. They're outside the norm enough that I question them before I, say, question Eladrin and Tieflings. Demon/Angelspawn are "close enough" to a fantasy standard that they can be both edgy and acceptable in core.
Constructs are ... sure, somewhat of a D&D "standard". I think D&D and I think Prague when I hear the word "golem".
But "Warforged" as a WORD is evocative of Eberron setting information. It would be akin to Drow being named "Underdarkin". It is a name built in reference to an aspect of their place within a setting ... Warforged, in Eberron, were created to fight a war. Drow, in FR, live in the Underdark. However Drow, in Eberron, live in the jungle. So jungle-dwelling Underdarkin would be odd. Likewise, a race that, in another setting, may not have been created to fight a war ... would be odd with a name like "Warforged".
The bigger issue, though, is something that I hope they fix in 4E.
In 3.5, Warforged are broken. B to the R to the O K E. They get 150% of the healing any othe race gets PLUS they use up 200% of the Clerical healing any other race requires. (Because they get 100% of arcane healing, which no other race gets at all, and 50% of divine healing ... and they require 2x as much Clerical healing. So everybody in a party with a warforged, but the warforged, gets hosed. That your Warforged tank requires 2x the Divine healing of anybody else does not mean he gets less healing, it means the cleric uses MORE to keep that character functional.)
Additionally they're flat IMMUNE to most low-level environmental dangers. And flat immunity changes the game in dramatic ways. A water trap is a minor inconvenience to a warforged. Poison gas is a non-issue. Etc etc. Plus some extreme equipment hazards, for them, are minor damage issues. Ask any fighter if he'd rather lose his Full Plate (or special full plate!) to a Rust Monster ... or if he'd rather take 2d6 damage.
Mechanically they were severely messed up. So, in 4E, they're going to need a total and complete mechanical overhaul. I'm going to say I trust in the designers to do a good job of it, this time around. I'm writing off the 3.5 warforged as an enthusiastic attempt at a daring change, but one that failed. Akin to Two Weapon Fighting in 2nd Ed. (And like 2WF you have enthusiasts that like 3.5 warforged and folks that say "But you can work around all of those issues by totally changing how you run the game!").
If I open up the 4E PHB and find a mechanically unbalanced Warforged in the core races, I'm not going to be upset.
I'm going to be disappointed.
--fje
Constructs are ... sure, somewhat of a D&D "standard". I think D&D and I think Prague when I hear the word "golem".
But "Warforged" as a WORD is evocative of Eberron setting information. It would be akin to Drow being named "Underdarkin". It is a name built in reference to an aspect of their place within a setting ... Warforged, in Eberron, were created to fight a war. Drow, in FR, live in the Underdark. However Drow, in Eberron, live in the jungle. So jungle-dwelling Underdarkin would be odd. Likewise, a race that, in another setting, may not have been created to fight a war ... would be odd with a name like "Warforged".
The bigger issue, though, is something that I hope they fix in 4E.
In 3.5, Warforged are broken. B to the R to the O K E. They get 150% of the healing any othe race gets PLUS they use up 200% of the Clerical healing any other race requires. (Because they get 100% of arcane healing, which no other race gets at all, and 50% of divine healing ... and they require 2x as much Clerical healing. So everybody in a party with a warforged, but the warforged, gets hosed. That your Warforged tank requires 2x the Divine healing of anybody else does not mean he gets less healing, it means the cleric uses MORE to keep that character functional.)
Additionally they're flat IMMUNE to most low-level environmental dangers. And flat immunity changes the game in dramatic ways. A water trap is a minor inconvenience to a warforged. Poison gas is a non-issue. Etc etc. Plus some extreme equipment hazards, for them, are minor damage issues. Ask any fighter if he'd rather lose his Full Plate (or special full plate!) to a Rust Monster ... or if he'd rather take 2d6 damage.
Mechanically they were severely messed up. So, in 4E, they're going to need a total and complete mechanical overhaul. I'm going to say I trust in the designers to do a good job of it, this time around. I'm writing off the 3.5 warforged as an enthusiastic attempt at a daring change, but one that failed. Akin to Two Weapon Fighting in 2nd Ed. (And like 2WF you have enthusiasts that like 3.5 warforged and folks that say "But you can work around all of those issues by totally changing how you run the game!").
If I open up the 4E PHB and find a mechanically unbalanced Warforged in the core races, I'm not going to be upset.
I'm going to be disappointed.
--fje
Zander
Explorer
With sincere respect, the use-it-if-you-like-don't-if-you-don't argument is only partly valid. It's normally the DM who decides what's in and what's not, so if you're a player who doesn't like warforged, you need to find a DM who agrees. Depending on where you live, that may not be so easy.Mallus said:
If warforged wind up in the PHB, you'll have to deal with them in most 4E games at conventions; a lot of D&D art will include them; you'll get them in your random mini boxes etc. In other words, as a warforged-hater, you'll find yourself marginalised in the community of D&D gamers.
