D&D 5E Warlord Name Poll

Choose your Warlord Class name.

  • Warlord

    Votes: 54 45.4%
  • Warduke

    Votes: 3 2.5%
  • Marshal

    Votes: 39 32.8%
  • Commander

    Votes: 23 19.3%
  • Battle Master

    Votes: 10 8.4%
  • Decanus

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Facilis

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Coordinatus

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Consul

    Votes: 11 9.2%
  • Adjuvant/Adjutant

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • Caid/Qaid/Alcaide

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Docent

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Sardaukar

    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • Concord Administrator

    Votes: 3 2.5%
  • Other (post your idea/choice)

    Votes: 25 21.0%
  • Lemon Curry

    Votes: 20 16.8%

ZzarkLinux

First Post
As I suggested before, "Inciter."

The problem with that name is "Inciter" would be a reference to this card . We want the warlord to be less like a rage inducing, oh noes, threadjacking class. And the pesants in the artwork express more rage and more oh noes. Quite the opposite.
 
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For me the ardent is the name for the psionic wannabe cleric. There is a great potential to create stories about hate-love relations between psionic ardents and the divine spellcasters.

Do remember we are waiting the future modules about henchmen, skirmishes and mass battles, a good way to sell official D&D miniatures when the 3d printers are coming soon. Maybe we can see warlord variant classes to be used with those modules. Also the warlord could be a complete class to be used in some D&D Real-Time-Strategy videogame.

The best option for WotC to make happy most of players are the "subtitutive levels", packs of optional class features.

I say it again: I imagine warlords with the poses and maneuvers of the White Raven discipline from "Tome of Battle: book of nine swords".
 

Remathilis

Legend
Do remember we are waiting the future modules about henchmen, skirmishes and mass battles, a good way to sell official D&D miniatures when the 3d printers are coming soon. Maybe we can see warlord variant classes to be used with those modules. Also the warlord could be a complete class to be used in some D&D Real-Time-Strategy videogame.

We got the Mass Battles UA module a while back, and it might be an interesting place to put a warlord class/subclass that works for mass battles, but I think most people would prefer a leader/strategist that works in the traditional skirmish-level rules.
 


Remathilis

Legend
An interesting think to think about when coming up with a name...

Most D&D classes fall into two big categories: descriptive and occupational. Descriptive names describe what the class generally does (rogue, fighter, sorcerer, wizard) while occupational classes describe a job or title the character has (bard, paladin, druid, monk). A few classes can reasonably fit both (cleric and barbarian appear both descriptive and somewhat occupational). A way to think of this: Imagine a character explaining his "class" to someone in game; if the character wouldn't use his class name ("I'm a fighter") its descriptive; if he would ("I'm a paladin") its occupational.

A descriptive class has the advantage of being more generic and hence covering a wider swath of archetypes: a fighter can be a solider, knight, mercenary, tribal warrior, or hunter easily (assuming the right background and such). A druid, on the other hand, tends to be one thing: a nature priest loosing connected to the druidic order. The advantage to that is that he has a tighter focus and thus more interesting things: by not trying to cram every shaman, witch, and animist archetype into the druid/nature priest class, he can develop interesting abilities like wild shape. Of course, the downside is that narrower focus = less ways to take the class in new places. Its not a surprise to me that the more narrow-focused classes (ranger, bard, druid, barbarian) tend to have less subclasses than the more broader ones (rogue, fighter, wizard, cleric).

Now, what does have to do with our "warlord"? Well, lets look at some of these names suggested. Some of them are more descriptive-types (tactician, for example, is not what someone calls themselves) while others seem much more occupational, be it military (commander, marshal, banneret) or governmental (consul, noble). The former has the advantage of being broader (a tactician can be a military officer, a young peasant girl with visions, or a wise chieftain of the hordes) but his abilities must be broader and less defined. The occupational ones can develop more interesting and focused sets of abilities, but will inevitably leave out some archetypes the descriptive one does (its hard to describe the chieftain of the hordes as a banneret or the young peasant girl as a consul). That also said, it might be easier to integrate a more focused class into an ongoing game since the class isn't trying to cover a wide swath of archetypes all at once.

Now, what about "Warlord"? Descriptive. Few people would describe themselves AS a warlord (probably the same amount that would introduce themselves as "rogues") but it does punch up a warrior/leader vibe without denoting a specific military rank or government position. As for negative connotation; its probably on par with "rogue" or "barbarian" or "warlorck" as far as those go.

So that's something to think about.
 

Now, what about "Warlord"? Descriptive. Few people would describe themselves AS a warlord (probably the same amount that would introduce themselves as "rogues") but it does punch up a warrior/leader vibe without denoting a specific military rank or government position. As for negative connotation; its probably on par with "rogue" or "barbarian" or "warlorck" as far as those go.
Except that "warlord" does denote a military position, albeit not a specific rank. Actually, it has both a military rank and government position in that it is in charge of both. It's effectively "commander-in-chief". Warlords always have a position of authority. There's NO warlord who does not posses authority, either legitimate or illegal.

As for negativity, "rogue" is barely negative. It's up there with "scoundrel" as a term that's not good but could apply to a stereotypical bad boy. "Warlock" was negative in the same way as "witch" or even "wizard" and isn't nearly as negative in a modern sense. The worst is "barbarian" but that's mostly for using it to apply derisively to other cultures and less the term itself. I would rather they change it to "berserker" but it's been around for 35 years so it gets grandfathered in.
Warlords was a term that used to be okay. They're a good term for feudal lords and the local rulers of medieval China and Japan. Historically it's fine. But the modern connotations are extremely problematic.

I don't remember "rogues" or "barbarians" being used to describe someone who practiced cannibalism, committed genocide, used child soldiers, or addicted followers to drugs. Warlords are horrible, horrible people who commit atrocities and war crimes in the modern world. It's the term used to describe the leaders of terrorist cells in Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, and potentially Syria. Naming a class a "warlord" is akin to as calling a class a "terrorist leader". It's really not okay. The Wikipedia artice on Warlords tells you to "See also": Anocracy, Despotism, Feud, Outlaw, Plutocracy, Strongman (politics), Violent non-state actor, and List of countries by Failed States Index. And a google image search for the term "warlord" is some serious nightmare fuel.

The name "warlord" is seriously, seriously not worth defending. Why? Why defend it?
 

Tony Vargas

Legend
The name "warlord" is seriously, seriously not worth defending. Why? Why defend it?
Because there's nothing wrong with it. It was good enough for John Carter, it's good enough for a D&D class.

The are 274 sci-fi/fantasy books on Amazon with 'Warlord' in the title. There's nothing wrong with it in the context of fantasy, and D&D is a fantasy game.
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Warlords are horrible, horrible people who commit atrocities and war crimes in the modern world. It's the term used to describe the leaders of terrorist cells in Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, and potentially Syria. Naming a class a "warlord" is akin to as calling a class a "terrorist leader". It's really not okay. The Wikipedia artice on Warlords tells you to "See also": Anocracy, Despotism, Feud, Outlaw, Plutocracy, Strongman (politics), Violent non-state actor, and List of countries by Failed States Index. And a google image search for the term "warlord" is some serious nightmare fuel.

Politics are only allowed in specifically tagged threads in the Media Lounge. Please keep them out of general threads.
 

Not really relevant.
Sure they are. I don't want to play a class called a "child soldier using monster". I don't like the implication the name brings. It's incredibly negative and casts a shadow over the game.

Barbarian has been used very negatively for much longer than Warlord. All those things could be called 'barbaric,' for instance.
But changing "barbarian" is harder. They should have changed it 15 years ago for 3e. Now it's too late. It's part of the game.
The class concept in discussion has changed names twice before, when it was created as the marshal and again when it became the warlord. And so it can again.

Why can't it change? Or change back to marshal?

Because there's nothing wrong with it. It was good enough for John Carter, it's good enough for a D&D class. How it's used in other contexts doesn't matter.
When Warlord of Mars was written 101 years ago, lots of things were more acceptable. I'd like to think naming standards might, just might, have shifted in the past century.

But it's not just other contexts, but what the word actually means. You're suggesting taking a word that means one thing (military leader of a civilian area) and applying it to a very different concept (tactical leader of a small group of soldiers), but also dismissing other names that do not have horrifying connotations and dismissing them because one aspect of the term implies rank.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Not really relevant.

Barbarian has been used very negatively for much longer than Warlord. All those things could be called 'barbaric,' for instance.

Because there's nothing wrong with it. It was good enough for John Carter, it's good enough for a D&D class. How it's used in other contexts doesn't matter.

Please do not report a post then reply to it. You can't have it both ways. It's either inappropriate or it's not.
 

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