Was I being a dick to do this.

[Barastrondo]

That is my whole point. The responsibility and blame lies with everybody at the table. As I've said, repeatedly, the rogue acted badly, the GM acted badly and in the end the other players acted badly. The question wasn't, who's fault is who's, it was "was I a dick".

And opinions vary.

I don't see that as an excuse for bad behaviour. As I said before, an eye for an eye doesn't cut it.

And like I say, I don't think it's a matter of vengeance or an eye for an eye; I think it's a matter of show, don't tell. It's more effective, and you're going to see that more frequently in groups where immersion is fairly important. The line can be blurred with grudge monsters and the like, but setting up a "let me show you how this world advertises dangerous situations or defies the cliches" situation is basic GMing, and to my mind, fair.

 

[moxcamel]

So I'm thinking the OP probably has enough information at this point to decide if he was being a dick or not. Beyond epeen flexing, is there really any reason at all to continue this thread?

 

[mneme]

However, it's okay to assert the might is right rule? Because if everybody disagrees then the other person must be wrong?

1. That's not the "might is right" rule. Plurality isn't "might" -- it's frequency. And yes, when you're finding yourself alone against the crowd, it's usually worth taking stock and trying to figure out where they're coming from. Not because they're more powerful--but because they're probably seeing something you aren't.

2. Moreover, your response simply wasn't appropriate to the claim even if it was fallacious (which it wasn't). Even if your argument was correct in every article (as opposed to your focusing on some disfunction and other responders focusing on function in a story that could have been much, much worse), without any evidence of same, "they're all dicks" isn't even a little bit justified by a statement that you're heavily outnumbered--any non-troll (or really, any reasonable participant) will look for reason in the crowd, not claim that they're all dicks. Even if you're right, and we're all wrong, there's probably some reason we think we're right -- unless you actually think that this is a hotbed of bad gaming, a cesspool on the gaming Internet, in which case you should probably clear off now.

 

[shadzar]

I should have taken my own advice and abandoned this thread.

Eye for an eye implies that it's done out of vengeance, and it really doesn't sound that way to me at all. You're still oversimplifying this situation into black-and-whites and it's not that simple.

From your responses, it really sounds like this has happened to you at some point in the past. Do you want to talk about it? Will that make you feel better? I'll listen. I'm serious.

In the meantime, you aren't saying anything new. We don't agree with your assessment of the situation, so unless you have something new to say, we all might as well drop this.

"you must spread some XP around first....."

The two bolded parts are probably right. I DID follow your advice and have just been enjoying the laugh reading responses ever sense....and I got the idea of the second very early on in the line of responses.

You, unlike the rogue characters player and some maybe in this very thread, learned from your mistake.

 

[jasper]

Someone ask how to handle metagaming players.
OOC To the players I tell them sometimes you will come across things you can’t beat.
When the player is still clueless. I give the example, if I mention there is a large red dragon flying overhead and you are first level. This does not mean dragon hunting today. It is either atmosphere, or a game hook when the party is higher levels.
If the goober player still wants to go dragon hunting at first level, I let the pc do so. Red dragons love snacking on low calorie adventures.
Someone mention the hobby is shrinking due to DMs not catering to every play style at that sit down at the table. I say good. I am too old to deal with problem children. If my dm style does not fit your gaming style hit the door. Once I learn this rule, I have dm and played less. But I have a lot more joy while gaming. Even back in 80s, I wondered where the rule of D&D is SPECIAL. So I and the other gamers have put up with you being a problem because you are a FELLOW gamer.
To the OP. Since it appears you tired beforehand to change this player’s game style to match the gaming group style and got tired of it not working in game. You did metagame in anger. But, and I have seen this before, the player was able to get the pcs to willing follow him into the trap.
To show other here, the type of Dm I am. Back in the early days of 3E, some company was giving out free modules um adventures. I got my hand on one. The quest is the party has to get a staff recharged by having got hit by a Blue/Bronze Dragon lightning bolt weapon. The hook is the dragon will do so if the party will go in to subbasement and clean out the monsters (which are the adventure) because the dragon can’t fit down them. The metagaming player thought the adventure was to take out the dragon. In game I hinted bad idea. Some of the other gamers who knew my style took the hint. And told the player in game bad idea. The goober player still did not take the hint.
I called OFF BOARD, which at my table was me stopping the game and telling the people at the table the truth. OCC I told Bob the dragon is level twenty. And called a break.
After the break, the pc still wanted to kill the dragon. The problem player said, “ Charge my fellows”. And rolled init. I rolled init. He won. Swung on missed. The dragon Claw, Claw, Bite. GLUMP!.
Dragon now tick off spoke to the remaining dinner, “And what are you going to?”
Player in character slowly raise his hand, “Please kind sir, he was the village idiot that we could not keep from tagging along. May I ask how he tasted?”
Dragon, “ a little raw and undone. Not well aged.”
The problem player did get the clue, that I would kill a PC. And that if player got stupid again and his pc died, the party would not raise his pc. PS iirc the problem player was the seven year old son of the person who asked how he tasted.

 

[LostSoul]

He didn't though. Instead, he insisted on dragging every other player at the table into his metagame dungeon crawl, clearly against their better judgement. They were being tolerant though. In the interest of party cohesion, and in the interest of cooperation and teamwork. What did he do in return?

He shoved their noses in it.

So, instead of playing their characters, they decided to metagame in the interest of party cohesion, and it didn't work out for them?

Don't really see the problem.

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

So, instead of playing their characters, they decided to metagame in the interest of party cohesion, and it didn't work out for them?

Don't really see the problem.

That was kind of my point. Did you even read this thread?

 

[Hungry Like The Wolf]

"you must spread some XP around first....."

The two bolded parts are probably right. I DID follow your advice and have just been enjoying the laugh reading responses ever sense....and I got the idea of the second very early on in the line of responses.

You, unlike the rogue characters player and some maybe in this very thread, learned from your mistake.

I really can't be bothered with this thread anymore but don't be a dick a pronounced assumptions as fact. I do not have an emotional connection to this situation and I've never been accused of metagaming, let alone "taught as lesson".

 

[LostSoul]

That was kind of my point. Did you even read this thread?

Heh, no, not really.

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

Heh, no, not really.

Past the first page, you're not missing much

Mostly a bunch of people with sore foreheads from all the face-palming, head-desking, and ramming our skulls into proverbial brick walls.