D&D General Was the court Wizard right to Polymorph The heir from A Teenager into A Baby because she knew the villain would kill A Teenager but not A Baby?

[JMISBEST]

You run villains differently than I do. If the no-goodnick will kill a 14 year old heir, they'll kill a baby heir. Either they're removing an heir who is otherwise innocent (which is the case if I understand) or they're eliminating an individual for some other reason.

If they're eliminating an heir, the heir's age is irrelevant. If they're eliminating an individual, the baby is still that individual no matter what their apparent physical age is. If the baby retains the mentality of the 14 year old, the bad guy isn't really killing a baby regardless of the physical form. If the baby does not retain the mentality of the 14 year old, the court wizard already effectively killed them.

In any case, I wouldn't allow polymorph to do this. If you can recreate someone in a different physical form, is the new form still the heir? Are they still they heir if they have the mentality of a baby? In any case, if the bad guy (tm) won't kill the baby they can always just ship them off to be raised on a farm somewhere so nothing was really gained.

I've been thought of a way to justify what both sides are thinking. Maybe I should have changed it so that the 14 year old girls family are so evil that in the last 8 centuries she's the only 1 that wasn't of evil alignment, the guy that's niether good nor bad but the nature and cause of the conflict means he's seen as the good guy doesn't know this and thats why he wants to kill her, The Court Wizard knows he doesn't know and knows that because his alignment is neutral-good with neutral he won't kill A Child, no matter how evil his or her family, before their 10, and if the child proves he or she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance

You run villains differently than I do. If the no-goodnick will kill a 14 year old heir, they'll kill a baby heir. Either they're removing an heir who is otherwise innocent (which is the case if I understand) or they're eliminating an individual for some other reason.

If they're eliminating an heir, the heir's age is irrelevant. If they're eliminating an individual, the baby is still that individual no matter what their apparent physical age is. If the baby retains the mentality of the 14 year old, the bad guy isn't really killing a baby regardless of the physical form. If the baby does not retain the mentality of the 14 year old, the court wizard already effectively killed them.

In any case, I wouldn't allow polymorph to do this. If you can recreate someone in a different physical form, is the new form still the heir? Are they still they heir if they have the mentality of a baby? In any case, if the bad guy (tm) won't kill the baby they can always just ship them off to be raised on a farm somewhere so nothing was really gained.

I've been thought of a way to justify what both sides are thinking. Maybe I should have changed it so that the 14 year old girls family are so evil that in the last 8 centuries she's the only 1 that wasn't of evil alignment, the guy that's niether good nor bad but the nature and cause of the conflict means he's seen as the good guy doesn't know this and thats why he wants to kill her, The Court Wizard knows he doesn't know and knows that because his alignment is neutral-good with neutral he won't kill A Child, no matter how evil his or her family, before their 10, and if the child proves he or she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance

You run villains differently than I do. If the no-goodnick will kill a 14 year old heir, they'll kill a baby heir. Either they're removing an heir who is otherwise innocent (which is the case if I understand) or they're eliminating an individual for some other reason.

If they're eliminating an heir, the heir's age is irrelevant. If they're eliminating an individual, the baby is still that individual no matter what their apparent physical age is. If the baby retains the mentality of the 14 year old, the bad guy isn't really killing a baby regardless of the physical form. If the baby does not retain the mentality of the 14 year old, the court wizard already effectively killed them.

In any case, I wouldn't allow polymorph to do this. If you can recreate someone in a different physical form, is the new form still the heir? Are they still they heir if they have the mentality of a baby? In any case, if the bad guy (tm) won't kill the baby they can always just ship them off to be raised on a farm somewhere so nothing was really gained.

I've been thought of a way to justify what both sides are thinking. Maybe I should have changed it so that the 14 year old girls family are so evil that in the last 8 centuries she's the only 1 that wasn't of evil alignment, the guy that's niether good nor bad but the nature and cause of the conflict means he's seen as the good guy doesn't know this and thats why he wants to kill her, The Court Wizard knows he doesn't know and knows that because his alignment is neutral-good with neutral he won't kill A Child, no matter how evil his or her family, before their 10, and if the child proves he or she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance

You run villains differently than I do. If the no-goodnick will kill a 14 year old heir, they'll kill a baby heir. Either they're removing an heir who is otherwise innocent (which is the case if I understand) or they're eliminating an individual for some other reason.

If they're eliminating an heir, the heir's age is irrelevant. If they're eliminating an individual, the baby is still that individual no matter what their apparent physical age is. If the baby retains the mentality of the 14 year old, the bad guy isn't really killing a baby regardless of the physical form. If the baby does not retain the mentality of the 14 year old, the court wizard already effectively killed them.

In any case, I wouldn't allow polymorph to do this. If you can recreate someone in a different physical form, is the new form still the heir? Are they still they heir if they have the mentality of a baby? In any case, if the bad guy (tm) won't kill the baby they can always just ship them off to be raised on a farm somewhere so nothing was really gained.

I've been thought of a way to justify what both sides are thinking. Maybe I should have changed it so that the 14 year old girls family are so evil that in the last 8 centuries she's the only 1 that wasn't of evil alignment, the guy that's niether good nor bad but the nature and cause of the conflict means he's seen as the good guy doesn't know this and thats why he wants to kill her, The Court Wizard knows he doesn't know and knows that because his alignment is neutral-good with neutral he won't kill A Child, no matter how evil his or her family, before their 10, and if the child proves he or she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance to show that they should be allowed to live

But the the girls 14, so The Court Wizard Polymorphs her into A 5 month old Baby, which gives her 9 years, 7 months, in which to proof that she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance to show that they should be allowed to live, it works, she proves that she deserves to be allowed to live and she is be allowed to live

 

[JMISBEST]

You run villains differently than I do. If the no-goodnick will kill a 14 year old heir, they'll kill a baby heir. Either they're removing an heir who is otherwise innocent (which is the case if I understand) or they're eliminating an individual for some other reason.

If they're eliminating an heir, the heir's age is irrelevant. If they're eliminating an individual, the baby is still that individual no matter what their apparent physical age is. If the baby retains the mentality of the 14 year old, the bad guy isn't really killing a baby regardless of the physical form. If the baby does not retain the mentality of the 14 year old, the court wizard already effectively killed them.

In any case, I wouldn't allow polymorph to do this. If you can recreate someone in a different physical form, is the new form still the heir? Are they still they heir if they have the mentality of a baby? In any case, if the bad guy (tm) won't kill the baby they can always just ship them off to be raised on a farm somewhere so nothing was really gained.

I've been thought of a way to justify what both sides are thinking. Maybe I should have changed it so that the 14 year old girls family are so evil that in the last 8 centuries she's the only 1 that wasn't of evil alignment, the guy that's niether good nor bad but the nature and cause of the conflict means he's seen as the good guy doesn't know this and thats why he wants to kill her, The Court Wizard knows he doesn't know and knows that because his alignment is neutral-good with neutral he won't kill A Child, no matter how evil his or her family, before their 10, and if the child proves he or she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance to show that they should be allowed to live

But the the girls 14, so The Court Wizard Polymorphs her into A 5 month old Baby, which gives her 9 years, 7 months, in which to proof that she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance to show that they should be allowed to live, it works, she proves that she deserves to be allowed to live and she is be allowed to live

 

[JMISBEST]

Plot twist, the 14 Year Old Teenager is a succubus.

I never even considered doing that, why?, because back then I truly but wrongly believed that if The Princess was A Succubus then The Pcs would be be dumb enough to attack her and either her or her guards or her and her guards would slaughter them, but I like it and as I'm hoping to 1 day use this campaign idea please tell give me a few ideas

 

[Charlaquin]

I never even considered doing that, why?, because back then I truly but wrongly believed that if The Princess was A Succubus then The Pcs would be be dumb enough to attack her and either her or her guards or her and her guards would slaughter them, but I like it and as I'm hoping to 1 day use this campaign idea please tell give me a few ideas

Sorry, I was making a reference to one of your earlier threads about a succubus that was the equivalent of a nine-month-old. I didn’t think you were actually considering making this new character a succubus, I just found the parallel amusing. You seem to put a great deal of emphasis on characters’ precise ages.

 

[pukunui]

What do you think, @JMISBEST? Would the court wizard be right to do something like that?

 

[Ondath]

I've been thought of a way to justify what both sides are thinking. Maybe I should have changed it so that the 14 year old girls family are so evil that in the last 8 centuries she's the only 1 that wasn't of evil alignment, the guy that's niether good nor bad but the nature and cause of the conflict means he's seen as the good guy doesn't know this and thats why he wants to kill her, The Court Wizard knows he doesn't know and knows that because his alignment is neutral-good with neutral he won't kill A Child, no matter how evil his or her family, before their 10, and if the child proves he or she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance

I've been thought of a way to justify what both sides are thinking. Maybe I should have changed it so that the 14 year old girls family are so evil that in the last 8 centuries she's the only 1 that wasn't of evil alignment, the guy that's niether good nor bad but the nature and cause of the conflict means he's seen as the good guy doesn't know this and thats why he wants to kill her, The Court Wizard knows he doesn't know and knows that because his alignment is neutral-good with neutral he won't kill A Child, no matter how evil his or her family, before their 10, and if the child proves he or she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance

I've been thought of a way to justify what both sides are thinking. Maybe I should have changed it so that the 14 year old girls family are so evil that in the last 8 centuries she's the only 1 that wasn't of evil alignment, the guy that's niether good nor bad but the nature and cause of the conflict means he's seen as the good guy doesn't know this and thats why he wants to kill her, The Court Wizard knows he doesn't know and knows that because his alignment is neutral-good with neutral he won't kill A Child, no matter how evil his or her family, before their 10, and if the child proves he or she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance

I've been thought of a way to justify what both sides are thinking. Maybe I should have changed it so that the 14 year old girls family are so evil that in the last 8 centuries she's the only 1 that wasn't of evil alignment, the guy that's niether good nor bad but the nature and cause of the conflict means he's seen as the good guy doesn't know this and thats why he wants to kill her, The Court Wizard knows he doesn't know and knows that because his alignment is neutral-good with neutral he won't kill A Child, no matter how evil his or her family, before their 10, and if the child proves he or she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance to show that they should be allowed to live

But the the girls 14, so The Court Wizard Polymorphs her into A 5 month old Baby, which gives her 9 years, 7 months, in which to proof that she deserves a chance to show that they should be allowed to live then he or she gets a chance to show that they should be allowed to live, it works, she proves that she deserves to be allowed to live and she is be allowed to live

Erm, did you use just type the same answer three times while responding to different people?

I really didn't want to make assumptions about who's writing these, as neurodivergent people who might miss social cues about how to ask a question exist, but I'm starting to think that the neural network theory might actually be likely.

 

[pukunui]

Erm, did you use just type the same answer three times while responding to different people?

Five times even, if you count the next post as well.

 

[JMISBEST]

Erm, did you use just type the same answer three times while responding to different people?

I really didn't want to make assumptions about who's writing these, as neurodivergent people who might miss social cues about how to ask a question exist, but I'm starting to think that the neural network theory might actually be likely.

Sorry I accidentally pasted and copied the answer 3 times and I don't know how to edit Replies

 

[pukunui]

Sorry I accidentally pasted and copied the answer 3 times and I don't know how to edit Replies

On the bottom row of a post, you should see words like "Report", "Like", "Quote", and "Reply". If it's a post that you've written, you should also see "Edit" just to the right of "Report". Clicking there will take you into the edit post function. Give it a try!

 

[James Gasik]

Now an interesting variation on this scenario I just thought of goes like this: the crown princess is due to be coronated as Queen on her 17th birthday. The current Regent has qualms about killing her, but definitely does not want to relinquish power, so they hire a Wizard to transform her into a child, so that they can make the (very logical) argument that "obviously, the girl is too young to ascend to the throne!".