Ways to make a guy "helpless"?

Brace Cormaeril

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What are some ways to make a guy helpless? An opponent asleep is helpless, an opponent under the effect of "Hold X" is helpless, as is something targeted by a "Control Body" (Kin 4). Anybody out there know of any other ways to bring about "helpless"-ness?
 

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Brace Cormaeril said:
What are some ways to make a guy helpless? An opponent asleep is helpless, an opponent under the effect of "Hold X" is helpless, as is something targeted by a "Control Body" (Kin 4). Anybody out there know of any other ways to bring about "helpless"-ness?

Reduce any stat but constitution to zero, and the target is helpless. (Zero Con will obviously kill them.)
 

I'm of the opinion that a Magic Jar spell or similar possession can make the victim helpless. After all, a cooperative target should be easier to coup de grace than somebody unconscious.
 

A helpless character is paralyzed, held, bound, sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise completely at an opponent’s mercy.
Poison which produces paralysis or unconsciousness would work.

Tying them up or knocking them out are two methods not mentioned so far. It would help to know what you're trying to accomplish: if it's defeating an opponent, obviously these don't really help.
 

starwed said:
Poison which produces paralysis or unconsciousness would work.

Tying them up or knocking them out are two methods not mentioned so far. It would help to know what you're trying to accomplish: if it's defeating an opponent, obviously these don't really help.

Does anyone know where a list of poisons are available on-line? I have BoVD at hand, no DMG. I checked the Hypertext SRD, but couldn't find poisons...
I just want to set guys up for coup d' grace with helplessness.
 

For some reason you must have neglected to look for the list under special abilities. (I have no idea why it's not under equipment.)

Oh, and Complete Adventurer also has a list of the same poisons, with the craft DCs.
 

Players handbook said:
Paralysed,Held,Bound, Sleeping,Uncoscious or other wise at the character's mercy

How to:
Spells (Sleep, Magic Jar, Ect)
Dex damage
Con damage
Use Rope (Spell Use rope)
Non Leathal Damage.

No Good:
Suggestion
Bardic Music
Stunned enemies
Blind

---Rusty
 

With an insanely high save DC, you might get a Suggestion to work ("Hold still while I cut that Scarab of Death out of your chest"). I'd give them a pretty big bonus on the save.
Domination might work, for a similar reason. "Stand still, and look straight at me" is not obviously self-destructive, but it would let the rogue sneak up behind them and slit their throat.
Con damage kills, but any other ability damage makes them helpless (paralysis or coma).
Also, with an opponent in mundane full plate, fabricate can freeze the joints of the armour.
 

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