We saw a Star War! Last Jedi spoiler thread

[Maxperson]

In the real world, unlike in role playing games, certain concepts in armed combat transfer rather well as shown by various martial treatise. In fact since a lightsaber doesn't have a defined edge anymore than a staff does, even more would translate.

Sure, but then she'd have to hold it like a staff and that would cost her fingers. She isn't using staff styles with her fighting. She's using sword styles, which she has no training in.

 

[Maxperson]

How do you know that she was not using the Force?

There was nothing for the force to guide her against. She was using sword forms which is skill based. Skill she didn't have.

I think perhaps this is part of the problem with the discussion....if there’s any doubt, Luke gets a pass (training happened off screen, Yoda must have had his lightsaber with him, etc.) but Rey does not (she’s not using the Force while practicing, her skill with a staff can’t possibly help her, etc.).

She gets the exact same pass that he does. If you can show that she has been trained for the same amount of time(or near to it), I'll give her the same benefit of the doubt.

Why is that?

Why are you giving her more than you gave him? You're giving her the same credit with much less to work with.

 

[Maxperson]

Well, Luke was great at flying sophisticated, cutting edge military hardware all because he had a souped up T-16 hot rod back home. So... yeah.

So... no. He tells Han that he could buy a space ship and fly it because he's a pilot. That means he's been trained to fly space ships.

The narratives are very similar yet it’s Luke who gets the pass but not Rey. Too right we know why...

No they aren't, and I really doubt you know why. You're having enough trouble with this discussion. You certainly don't know my motives.

 

[billd91]

Y, Y does Luke get a pass but Rey doesn’t? It’s inXplicable.

 

[hawkeyefan]

There was nothing for the force to guide her against. She was using sword forms which is skill based. Skill she didn't have.

Against? Weak your grasp of the Force is.

Seriously, she doesn’t need an enemy or an obstacle to use the Force.

She gets the exact same pass that he does. If you can show that she has been trained for the same amount of time(or near to it), I'll give her the same benefit of the doubt.

I’m not sure if training is as required as you are making it. It plays a part in things, absolutely...Obi-Wan tells Luke to train with Yoda....but that doesn’t mean Luke wasn’t already using the Force. He used it to help destroy the Death Star, and he used it again on Hoth. All before he received any actual training.

Unless we consider Obi-Wan’s very basic instruction on the Falcon as training. But even if we do, that’s pretty scant.

We have no evidence from any of the films that an individual could not learn to use the Force to some extent on their own. On fact, I think there is ample evidence to suggest that many in fact do, even if they are not aware of it.

Why are you giving her more than you gave him? You're giving her the same credit with much less to work with.

I’m not giving her more. I am fine with Luke doing what he did in the original trilogy. I’m fine with what Rey does in this one, although for different reasons.

The Force Awakens showed us that Rey has an incredibly strong connection to the Force. She was already feeling it before she ever even met anyone that could use it. She had visions and felt the call of Anakin’s and Luke’s old lightsaber.

This is more than we ever saw of any connection Luke may have had with the Force until Obi-Wan shows up.

Then in The Last Jedi, Luke confirms that Rey is potentially stronger in the Force than anyone he’s ever met, except perhaps for Kylo Ren. Snoke then reinforces this and says that Rey’s ascension is the Light Side responding to the Dark.

So yeah...I think that there’s plenty shown in the movie to justify Rey’s ability. I think that to deny that means that you’ve either missed or flat out reject what the movies show us.

 

[pukunui]

Sure, but then she'd have to hold it like a staff and that would cost her fingers. She isn't using staff styles with her fighting. She's using sword styles, which she has no training in.

There's a behind the scenes video in which Daisy Ridley's sword fighting instructor says he had expected their training to take three days but she picked it all up in just a few hours. Maybe Rey is just a natural.

 

[Joker]

There's a behind the scenes video in which Daisy Ridley's sword fighting instructor says he had expected their training to take three days but she picked it all up in just a few hours. Maybe Rey is just a natural.

Sith Lords usually are.

 

[trappedslider]

Hux: "Hello, this is General Hux of the First Order."

Poe: "New phone who dis?"

Hux: "you called ME!"

 

[Joker]

Poe: "Please hold sir. We are currently experiencing high traffic. A representative will be with you shortly."

Hux: "But you called...*lounge music plays*

 

[Erekose]

Not to derail the current conversation but, if this trilogy is to wipe the slate clean (or more generously complete) the Skywalker saga presumably because Skywalkers are uber powerful with the force, then isn’t that to a degree derailed if Rey is stronger with the force than Luke? And so equal to the strongest Skywalker (Ben). Having written that down I can see that I’ve made a couple of assumptions that might not be true

I think one of the challenges that I have with where Star Wars is heading is that the “Episodes” are intrinsically linked with the Skywalker family. But that may just mean that there are just not going to be any more Episodes in the future ...