Weapons of Legacy Question

[Olaf the Stout]

This will probably be ignored in favour of 4E/Monte moving on but I'll post it anyway.

Other than the initial cost that is listed with each weapon at the start of each description there are no values listed for the legacy weapons.

If a player has a Weapon of Legacy that he has performed the Least ritual for and is now 8th level with the associated abilities for that level, what is the value of the item considered to be for determining wealth per level? i.e. an 8th level character should have 27k in wealth. How much of this 27k does the WoL count for?

I would think that it would still just be the initial cost that is listed in the initial description as the rest of the abilities are "paid" by losing BAB, skill points, etc., I can't find anything in the book that says anything on the subject though.

What has everyone else done?

Olaf the Stout

 

[Nightfall]

I haven't used Weapons of Legacy, (lord knows I've tried...), but I can say that you'd probably want to count it at least as 50% of their wealth. That's just my opinon Olaf, but you can go either way.

 

[Olaf the Stout]

Having read parts of it I would have to say that it is one of the most cryptic books for finding information in. I'm sure that the info must be in there somewhere but it might be hidden away in some obscure place.

Heck, just trying to find the rules for when you had to perform the 3 rituals was challenging enough!

Olaf the Stout

 

[Nightfall]

Yeah I agree Olaf. This is why I've considered supplimenting WoL rules with other weapon leveling abilities, just so as people can understand just what the heck is going on.

 

[Geoff Watson]

They have to pay gp to do the rituals to upgrade it; other than that, the item is 'paid' for by the crippling penalties you get for having a WoL.

Geoff.

 

[Nightfall]

Geoff,

Maybe so but if they want to off set it more, I think paying XP should be more of a factor. That's why I like Item Familiars and similiar stuff.

 

[bento]

I've browsed the book once or twice, but I thought after you "unlocked" the weapon through the ritual, that the weapon only gave the new bonuses to the person who went through the ritual.

For everyone else it is still a +x weapon. So if you sold it, it would only be worth the original level of the item, not the new "unlocked" level. The new owner would have to perform the same ritual to get it access to the new bonuses.

 

[Nightfall]

*shrugs* It's a hard book to digest beno. even so it might just be a +1 weapon to someone else, but there are rules that similiarly work that way without the "penalty" phase that WoL offers.

 

[MerricB]

If a player has a Weapon of Legacy that he has performed the Least ritual for and is now 8th level with the associated abilities for that level, what is the value of the item considered to be for determining wealth per level? i.e. an 8th level character should have 27k in wealth. How much of this 27k does the WoL count for?

The WoL is worth its base cost + the Least ritual cost in terms of the PC's wealth.

At 11th level, after the lesser ritual has been performed, it's worth its base cost + least cost + lesser cost.

The penalties offset the increased utility of the weapon.

Thus, a 20th level, you may have a +5 vorpal sword that has only cost you 60,000 gp or so. The bonus is that you have an extra 140,000 gp to spend on other equipment. The penalty is something like -2 to all attacks, -3 to all saves and -14 hp.

If you sell the weapon, it only sells for the base cost.

Cheers!

 

[Oryan77]

If you sell the weapon, it only sells for the base cost.

Exactly. Other people might not care that it's a legacy item or even know it's a legacy item. If you sold it, it's only worth the base cost to that person. They pay for the magical properties as they unlock them, just as the original owner did. Or, they just use it as a +1 weapon (if that's it's base function).

As far as figuring in character wealth, there's a paragraph in the book that says that you don't figure in the legacy items gp value beyond it's original base value when determining character wealth per level. So you are free to keep giving loot per level as normal; the weapon does not take away from character wealth beyond it's base value.