"Weenie List" of Ubiquitous & Popular Magic Items

[Azlan]

In the thread you linked to above, you refered to anyone who disagreed with you as 'elitists' and implied they were roleplaying zealots.

1.) I used the word elitist (not zealot), and the guy even agreed that his, indeed, was an elitist position. 2.) I did NOT refer to everyone who disagreed with me as elitists. I used the word "elitist" to describe someone who demands that roleplaying be the sole deciding factor of the situation given in that post. Note the difference!

Here, anyone who posts regularly is apparently either a troll or counterproductive and sophmoric rules-lawyer, if I'm to take your obviously frustrated post above at face value.

I am not saying that everyone who posts here regularly is a troll or otherwise counterproductive. However, I am saying that many of those who are trolls or otherwise counterproductive do post here regularly. Again, note the difference!

The problem is that often, the topics you're broaching have already been discussed a great deal, sometimes to a standstill.

Are some of you so jaded that, when you see a new post with a subject that obviously is one you've already participated in, time and time again; instead of moving on, saying "Been there, done that," you dive right in again, just so you can hoot and jeer, root and holler -- and thus be entertained?

And what if I'm new here, and haven't read a particular post that has already been discussed a great deal? Or what if I'm not new, but I don't visit often, and I missed that particular post? Being that this message board doesn't have a working search function, should it be a gaffe, a faux pas, or flamebait for someone to bring up a topic that has already been discussed a great deal?

 

[Roland Delacroix]

The rest of the ridicule and shoot-downs I can take. Heck, some of it, I may even deserve or at least incite.

azlan definitly gets the 2002 enboard 'Good Sport' award. Especially after putting up with hong

 

[ConcreteBuddha]

According to the Fly spell description, flying is considered normal movement for those who it is cast upon.

Wait a second...

"Using the fly spell requires as much concentration as walking, so the subject can attack or cast spells normally." ---PHB pg. 206

The above is the only instance of the word "normal" in the decription. Nowhere in the description does it say that flying with Fly is considered normal movement.

I return to my previous stance that since Fly is magic, it does not stack with SS boots. Until somebody quotes some scripture...

 

[Magus_Jerel]

The above is the only instance of the word "normal" in the decription. Nowhere in the description does it say that flying with Fly is considered normal movement.

I return to my previous stance that since Fly is magic, it does not stack with SS boots. Until somebody quotes some scripture...

okie -
Under the fly spell

The spell's subject can fly with a SPEED of 90 feet.

The capped word makes flight "normal" movement under the combat rules, just like a true climb speed or a swim speed.

Boots of striding and springing: The wearer of these boots moves at double her normal speed

The fly spell grants you a "normal flight speed" of 90 feet - and the boots see this - doubling the flight speed to 180 feet. Sick, but that's the scripture. The monk's "unarmored speed" and the barbarian's added +10 feet to the base speed are ALSO doubled, as they are the normal speeds for those characters.

 

[ConcreteBuddha]

Two things: (Both are not solid stances, however, the rules are ambiguous, regardless.)


1) I seem to recall the Sage saying that SS boots didn't stack with magical or supernatural effects. Alas, I cannot point to this, and even if I could, you would say that the Sage is often wrong.

2) What exactly is the point of using the word "normal" in the description for SS boots? This seems like a restriction.

By your definition of what is "normal" movement, nothing would ever be restricted from stacking with SS boots. Everything that gave a speed bonus or set speed would stack. If this is the case, why did they use the word "normal?" Seems a little redundant to me. They could have just said "movement" instead of "normal movement".
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I contend that SS boots only stack with natural movement, i.e. natural flight, swimming, climbing, walking and running. To do otherwise is far more powerful than a measly 6,000gp.

But since I do not have hard and fast rules to back this up, I must respectfully resort to house rules. (Unless somebody can find that damn Sage response or wherever else I got that idea.)

 

[AGGEMAM]

1) I seem to recall the Sage saying that SS boots didn't stack with magical or supernatural effects. Alas, I cannot point to this, and even if I could, you would say that the Sage is often wrong.

He did say something like that in an e-mail response.

Actually what he said was that the Boots of S&S as well as the Expeditious Retreat spell only stacks with normal movement.

Unnormal movement is all movement that is gained from super-natural abilities, such as a Beholders flight movement, or a high-level monks movement, and falling movement.

 

[Tobold Hornblower]

Azlan must be able to understand what's been pointed out: refering to so many people as 'elitist' and 'weenie' is going to generate some negative response. So he knows exactly what he's doing. He's a troll, and you've all been had.

Good job, Azlan, you've caught a bag of holding full of suckers.

 

[Mortaneus]

Well, congrats.

At one time (back in the Eric days), this board was a bastion of stability and good manners.

Now it sounds like the boards at Wizards.

*sigh*

At least nobody's talking in 1337 5p33|<.

 

[AGGEMAM]

At least nobody's talking in 1337 5p33|<.

elite speak ?? only complete morons do that !!

 

[Shaele]

--Tobold Hornblower--

So he knows exactly what he's doing. He's a troll, and you've all been had.

Good job, Azlan, you've caught a bag of holding full of suckers.
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Hmm, all I've seen is a lot of negative reactions and personal attacks on someone. Maybe you don't agree with his opinion, but that certainly doesn't justify some of the attacks. You know, the kind where people call him a "troll".

It's sad when the entire point of _your_ post is to attack someone. I thought better of this community - my mistake.