D&D 5E Weird Low Level Wizard Play?

[iserith]

I tend to use it when I am near the front lines and the opponent is wearing metal armor. I am near the front lines a lot.

"Clear!"
*buzzzzzz*

The doctor references are endless.

 

[Psikerlord#]

The other day we had more like 7-10 encounters. We are just good at pacing ourselves. I did use firebolt on occasion at level 1-4 but making an attack roll for 5.5 damage on average vs using the help action or healer feat did not add up to be worth doing.

My Monk is getting in close to 20-40 damage a round with Ki points, 15 normally, I have seen the barbarian get over 70. FIrebolt+flaming sphere is not to bad in terms of damage (2d10+2d6+another 2d6 if adjacent at end of turn). I just find cantrips to be mostly junk unless you have nothing else that is better to do. Excluding things like Warlocks+eldritch blast, fire sorcerers and level 8 light clerics.

Low level wizards more or less suck in 5E anyway seems to be our groups conclusion, maybe even worse than AD&D due to hit point inflation of 5E monsters. Low level clerics are not to bad and something like the light cleric makes even a blasting wizard weep.

If some PCs are doing up to 40 dmg, and other 70, and others are doing an average of 10 - that demonstrates to me there is a very big intra party balance problem. Whether that is intentional in 5e - that there be "striker" like classes - I'm not sure .... but in my expereince, what this leads to is complaints about the weaker classes - such as "class x are a waste of time, compared to class Y".

Which is what we're seeing here.

 

[Zardnaar]

If some PCs are doing up to 40 dmg, and other 70, and others are doing an average of 10 - that demonstrates to me there is a very big intra party balance problem. Whether that is intentional in 5e - that there be "striker" like classes - I'm not sure .... but in my expereince, what this leads to is complaints about the weaker classes - such as "class x are a waste of time, compared to class Y".

Which is what we're seeing here.

Its the barbarian built in advantage mechanic married to the GWM feat.

 

[The Crimson Binome]

Its the barbarian built in advantage mechanic married to the GWM feat.

If you care about balance at all, then stay far away from feats.

 

[Zardnaar]

If you care about balance at all, then stay far away from feats.

1. I am not the GM.
2. I want to play a featless game.
3. The players more or less refuse to play without them.

 

[Psikerlord#]

1. I am not the GM.
2. I want to play a featless game.
3. The players more or less refuse to play without them.

Alas - probably best to find another system then for you all to enjoy (imo). Or roll up a paladin ;D

 

[Zardnaar]

Alas - probably best to find another system then for you all to enjoy (imo). Or roll up a paladin ;D

THe feat thing is not a deal breaker and I wanted to try a small campaign without them. It would not have to be permanent. THe players themselves are starting to get sick of GWM at least. I think I will errata it to once/round only.