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Well, of course he didn't stay dead.

I'm glad to have Steve back.

I have to agree with what you said. I am not surprised, nor am I disappointed. I do hope they bring him back well.

Sucks to be Bucky. I wonder what he's going to change his Super Hero Identity to now that the Real Captain America Is Back.

I have not read the intervening comics, but my understanding is that Bucky was not exactly comfortable in the new mantle, so I won't be surprised if he's happy to give it back.

the Captain America identity seems somehow ideal for a concept that "passes the torch," like the Phantom of pulp fiction, or even DC's Green Lantern.

Yes... and no.

Some of what you say is true, from a storytelling point of view. However, it is also true that when you do pass a torch, the underlying meaning of the character does change somewhat (or quite a bit, when you consider that the title has been held by outright jerks). Doing that to such an icon permanently is... dicey, both in a business sense, and an artistic one.
 

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Well...

Point the first: I'm surprised it took them this long. Kudos for that.

Point the second: I'm not upset by this. When written properly, Captain America--and Steve Rogers--stand for a lot that this country ought to aspire to. People make fun of the "boy scout" heroes like Cap and Superman, but not only do I think they're essential to have around, I think they're more important--not necessarily as popular, not necessarily as interesting, but more culturally important--than the darker folks like Batman or Wolverine.

I'm glad to have Steve back.

Yup. Not every hero has to be full of angst because their mother made them tidy their bedroom. Some pure heroics are always needed!
 

Yup. Not every hero has to be full of angst because their mother made them tidy their bedroom. Some pure heroics are always needed!

Maybe if Bruce had tidied his room as a kid, his parents would have loved him more and not taken him to see that scary play, where they got shot! It's all his fault for not doing his chores.
 

Maybe if Bruce had tidied his room as a kid, his parents would have loved him more and not taken him to see that scary play, where they got shot! It's all his fault for not doing his chores.
That leaves me in a rough spot. Do I:
- Force my kid to do his chores so I don't get killed in a back alley mugging gone wrong.
- Be a bit more lax so they can grow up to be a kick-a** superhero?

Choices. Choices.
 

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People make fun of the "boy scout" heroes like Cap and Superman, but not only do I think they're essential to have around <snip>

I make fun of the "boy scouts" too, I also agree that they are needed. For all of the ongoing dialogue in the last few years about how the darker characters make the hard choices to do what the other can't/won't do I think the "boy scouts" make the really tough decisions. They do the right thing always not because it's easy or works the best but because it's the right thing and no matter what there is always a way around doing the not-right thing.

Superman and Cap (some others too I'm sure) are the touchstones by which their universes measure themselves, like it or not. The problem I see is that too often they aren't written as the touchstones but overbearing, oh-so righteous, dorks that nobody can stand. It's the whole Paladin thing that OOTS showed pretty well.
 


Some of what you say is true, from a storytelling point of view. However, it is also true that when you do pass a torch, the underlying meaning of the character does change somewhat (or quite a bit, when you consider that the title has been held by outright jerks). Doing that to such an icon permanently is... dicey, both in a business sense, and an artistic one.

I agree on all fronts.

But there is also something to be said for how bringing back characters devalues the drama of death.

And that it is possible to find equally idealistic & traditional people even in people born after the Vietnam war.

...or a clone.

...or from an alternative dimension.

The list of options before a true resurrection is pretty long, here.

Or that a different person with the same powers may let you tell stories you couldn't otherwise tell.

When Superman died, you got to see some of that in DC itself, but also in the many homage characters that sprang up (or got revived) afterwards in other comic companies' lines- Supreme, the Kryptonian Cyborg, Titan, Steel, Hyperion, etc.

A different take on Cap could be cool...very cool.

I make fun of the "boy scouts" too, I also agree that they are needed. For all of the ongoing dialogue in the last few years about how the darker characters make the hard choices to do what the other can't/won't do I think the "boy scouts" make the really tough decisions. They do the right thing always not because it's easy or works the best but because it's the right thing and no matter what there is always a way around doing the not-right thing.

Superman and Cap (some others too I'm sure) are the touchstones by which their universes measure themselves, like it or not. The problem I see is that too often they aren't written as the touchstones but overbearing, oh-so righteous, dorks that nobody can stand. It's the whole Paladin thing that OOTS showed pretty well.

Don't forget Capt. Marvel and...well, you're right, the list does go on a bit.

Though I must say, the occasions when the "boy scouts" do things we don't expect them to make for some interesting storytelling- like when Supes executed the 3 Kryptonian criminals in that alternate dimension.

Heck...if you really pore over a given characters' history, you may find that he's not as "Paladin-y" as you think. The early Superman stories featured a personality that was far more like early or Dark Knight Batman than the kryptonian we usually think of.
 

The problem I see is that too often they aren't written as the touchstones but overbearing, oh-so righteous, dorks that nobody can stand. It's the whole Paladin thing that OOTS showed pretty well.

That's not a problem with the characters, it's a problem with bad writing. Wolverine, with all his angst, has had his share of appalling writing, too. Nobody escapes it. :)
 

A different take on Cap could be cool...very cool.
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I wish he had remained dead, forever.

He was an anachronism.
A 1940s type Captain America who never really changed or became anything new.

I've got nothing against the idea of a Captain America, or of doing the right thing. But he was a Captain for another age. One that had served it's purpose, and was over. And had never really existed except in the comics anyway.

If they do resurrect him, I have nothing against Rogers either.
I just hope he doesn't return as the same anachronism in a different suit.

In that case the memory, and a new man, would serve much better in both cases.

But then again I'm with those who think that in comics death has no real meaning. And because of that heroism is cheapened also.
 
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