We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.

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Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.
Just as a warning, for those who might be bothered by certain sorts of content, some of the incidents that were relayed to me, the stories that were told, have jarring, uncomfortable occurrences in them. If mentions of rape and unsolicitated physical contact will bother you, you might want to skip the rest of this article. I know reading the emails and PMs from these women bothered me as they came in.

As much as what these women related bothered me, and obviously bothered them as the targets of the harassment, I felt that the fact that it was so uncomfortable was exactly the reason why this current piece needed to be written. We, as a group, need to start looking the people doing this harassment in the eye and telling them that we don’t think it is okay. We need to stop pushing these accounts into the shadows, under the rugs, and pretending that they do not exist. We need to make our communities into better places for everyone, and not just a bunch of men.

I put out a call over my various social media feeds (which was shared a lot), asking for women to share their experiences of harassment in tabletop gaming with me. Anonymity was offered to those who wanted it, and not surprisingly most respondents asked that their names be kept confidential. The reasons for them wanting to be kept anonymous were one of two. First, they were afraid of further harassment within their communities for calling out the bad behavior. They seen how women who tell men to stop get treated in small, closed communities and, for better or worse, they want to continue with their hobbies without additional harassment. The second reason was a bit scarier. Some of these women are professionals, working in tabletop gaming in a number of different capacities, who fear that publicly coming forward would negatively impact their careers within gaming.

I’ll just say that last one again, with emphasis: they were afraid that coming forward about their harassment, or the harassment that they had witnessed, would negatively impact their careers in tabletop gaming.

Because of these reasons, I will be keeping the identities of everyone who asked anonymous. Everyone who spoke with me identified themselves, I am just not identifying them.

One of the common threads through the experiences shared was rape. Most of these women had had characters raped during convention play, online games, or at events at stores. Sometimes the rapes were matter-of-factly introduced into play, others there was a titillating level of graphic detail to the assaults. One women talked about how a regular attendee at a local convention bragged of having a “rape kit” in his car for the women at the convention, and at one point he yelled at her to “find him women to sleep with.” She also talked about the organizers of the convention having a “men only camping retreat” and when she was on the board of the con the only way that she could attend was “nude and wearing a dog collar.” Another woman talked about the GM of her online game suddenly having her character knocked unconscious, taken away on a ship, and then graphically narrated raping her character. All of this occurred on voice chat while using a popular virtual tabletop site.

Another woman told me that her attempts at organizing a couple of women only games for a VTT online convention was met with such vehemence from male gamers that the games were pulled from the schedule of the convention.

People wonder why more and more people think that anti-harassment policies are needed at conventions. After all, even Gen Con has one:
Gen Con: The Best Four Days in Gaming! is dedicated to providing a harassment-free Event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or affiliation. We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.

And an Ethics policy:

All of the following constitute grounds for expulsion from the convention without refund:
  • Violating any federal, state, or local laws, facility rules or convention policies
  • Failure to comply with the instructions of Gen Con Event Staff or security personnel
  • Using anything in a threatening or destructive manner against person or property
  • Endangering the safety of oneself or others
  • Threatening, stealing, cheating or harassing others
  • Failure to conduct oneself in a mature manner

The creators of the 13th Age RPG have anti-harassment policies for their organized play because “Nobody shows up for a game with the goal of feeling uncomfortable or unsafe, and sorry that they came. But organized play brings together many different types of people with different expectations and approaches to play. An anti-harassment policy sets ground rules that everyone can recognize and follow, resulting in better games and more fun.” In the policy they outline harassment as “Everyone has the right to a space that is safe from any type of harassment: physical, verbal, emotional, or sexual.”

Honestly, considering the experiences that have been related to me, these sorts of policies should be commonplace for conventions and organized play. I have heard that Paizo is currently drafting an anti-harassment policy for their organized play, and Ad Astra Games has one in place already.

These are some of the more overt things that women have to deal with in their tabletop gaming experiences, and doesn’t go into the more “casual” or systemic harassment and sexism that women deal with at conventions, in online play and at game stores. One of the women talked about women being a subclass in society, and it being more so in gaming communities. “It sucks for a female gamer, going into a store and having that reaction.”

Men are openly commenting on women’s body parts in a sexual manner. Sexual content is added to games because “that’s the kind of stuff that women like.” Crude sexual references and jokes are made.

I’m not saying that there is no place for sexual, or adult themes, in gaming. Just the opposite, in fact. In my personal groups I game with grownups, and we play games that can have adult material in them. We have, however, agreed that content like that is okay in advance, and most of the time we agree that players’ agency over their characters should not be railroaded by the story of the game, or the actions of the GM. There is a huge difference between making awkward sexual comments out of the blue, because you are hoping it will interest a woman gamer, and making awkward sexual comments that people expect in their game. This goes doubly so for games in public spaces, like conventions or stores.

And just because it is okay with your wife, girlfriend or the woman in your gaming group at home, that doesn’t mean that it is okay with all women. If it makes someone at the table uncomfortable, or makes them feel like they are being harassed, just don’t do it, or apologize for having done it.

And, of course, none of them are safe from accusations of being a “fake geek girl,” or being in the store to get something for their husband or boyfriend. Apparently the idea that a woman would want to buy her own dice or miniatures or rule books is alien to some gamers.

As Jon Peterson, author of Playing at the World, points out in an online essay, there have always been gender problems in tabletop gaming. But he also points out that women have been interested in tabletop gaming for a long time. But, just because something has “always been that way,” it does not mean that it has to stay that way. Even in the 1970s TSR Games employees were taken to task by fandom, and female designers, to be more respectful of women gamers and to stop using phrases like “ladygamers.” Sadly, these attitudes that were considered to be outdated back then are still being perpetuated now…in some cases by some of the same people.

My first AD&D group, back in 1979, had a woman for the GM, and about half of the group were women. Most of my groups since then have had women involved in them. We need to be better, as a community, about these things. We need to speak out when we see women being harassed, online or in person, and we need to tell the people who think that doing this is okay that it isn’t. We need to be active in making the change that creates better communities where we don’t have to worry about our friends being harassed because of their gender, or their sexual preferences, or their ethnicity. We have to convince conventions and organized play societies that having anti-harassment policies is a good thing, and enforcing them so that everyone feels welcomed and accepted is a better thing.

Guys, we have to remember that this isn’t about us. This isn’t about our perceptions of what is happening at conventions, during organized play events and in online games. We sit back, listen and ask what we need to do, rather than try to make the discussion about how it “isn’t all men.” We already know that. We need to not take the focus away from what needs to be done.

There are never going to be completely safe spaces, in gaming or outside of it. However, we can make better places where no one has to worry about their body parts being part of the table talk, or their characters being sexually violated. It is the 21st century, and we should be better about this than we are. We need to stop being quiet, stop facilitating harassment, and we need to start making better spaces for ourselves and our fellow gamers. A group, like nerds, that talk so much about being harassed in their youth for being different should really be more sensitive about harassing others. We can, as a group, be better about this, and we need to do it.
 

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Dannyalcatraz

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It isn't about "believing any claim." I shouldn't have to repeat this. Being removed from the event is not someone passing judgment on you, declaring you guilty, or otherwise endorsing a particular belief about whether something did or did not take place.

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The scarcity of false accusations versus the commonplace nature of casual harassment means that you're more likely to avoid future conflict by removing the accused than by removing the accuser. I'm astonished that this needs to be explained.

In the courses I've taken taught by members of the International Association of Venue Managers (formerly International Association of Arena Managers) and the law-enforcement community, they routinely bring up stats about how, why and when they remove the accused, the accuser, or both from a given situation. Overwhelmingly, unless they believe the accuser will remain in danger or become endangered, the preference is to remove the accused. Removing both is the next preferred option.

Whether or not it is provable the accused actually did something, stats tell them that- in most cases- the situation is more likely to de-escalate than if the accuser is removed. Serial false accusers are vanishingly rare.

If the accuser is removed, OTOH, those accused who are actually guilty of said offense (and whatever allies they may have) tend to take this as license, and will continue to re-offend.
 
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Elf Witch

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I agree, there are varying degrees. In addition, I would say sexual harassment is one of the largest and most serious issues facing our world. So even if there is less sexual harassment in the gaming community than the population as a whole I am guessing it is a big problem. My comment was about your apparent attitude that if the gaming culture reflects the culture as whole with regard to harassment then that is as it should be. I don't know if that is truly your attitude, but that is how it came off to me.






Agreed, and I am not advocating a B-W solution. I am advocating working toward a better solution. That is why I said "...remain(ing) the same means victims get caught in the net." I am making a stance against the status quo, with the implied intent to make things better. To move forward on this subject how about these suggestions (regarding conventions and organized play):

Clearly stated policy against harassment (online and in print posted at the venue, tickets, etc.), stating possibilty of prosecution/legal action against perpetrators

if there is an issue, you could follow the following guidelines (these are very much WIP):

1) Clear evidence that someone was harassed: Harasser is ejected from the event, banned from future events, and turned over to prosecuting authorities.

2) Clear evidence that someone has lied about harrassment: The liar is ejected from the event, and banned from future events.

3) No evidence: Both parties are ejected from the event. The supposed harrasser is escorted to their vehicle, hotel room, mode of transportation or off the premises. The supposed victim is escorted to their vehicle, hotel room, mode of transportation or off the premises to a safe location.

What do you think?



Well, I admit a forum post is the not best method for conveying ones ideas and that statement came off a little wrong as I am a strong advocate for the innocent. My point was we should protect victims at least as much, and possibly more, as we protect the innocent. Remember, victims are innocent + being abused.

Agreed. I don't really believe false accusations are an issue.

Any suggestion to improve the guide? It helps everyone if there is a clear understanding to what will happen if a policy is violated. I think that is the best way we can work against harassment. Clear policy and clear adjudication. Do you disagree? If so, what do you suggest.

Remember, this is meant as a deterrent more than anything. Ideally these guides would coincide with more safety/security patrols and camera servailence, so there is less likelihood of a lack of evidence.

Please understand I am coming at this from the prospective of a parent. I've been in many situations where my children accuse each other of lying. Currently, I would rather punish them both than the guilty get off completely free. That was where I was coming from. Kick them both out, but, as I mentioned, make sure the potential victim is escorted to safe place. I agree it might not be the best solution, can you suggest a better method.

That is pretty draconian and unnecessary and accomplishes nothing.

If you throw out anyone who reports harassment without evidence then you are setting up an environment that people being harassed won't report it. In my case I had no evidence there was no camera in the elevator. Harassers can be pretty smart they will just make sure no one can see them do it.

And throwing out a con goer without evidence is also not the way to go. You talk to them you let them know that this has been reported and remind them of the anti harassment policy. And then you keep an eye on them. Knowing they have been caught is often enough to make them stop.

This is how most of the Worldcons now handle it. As I posted earlier I know people who run cons and they don't want to just toss people out without evidence but they do want it clear that harassment will not be tolerated. So most of them use a two strike rule if there is no evidence and that is more than one person complains about harassment by an individual then that person is gone.

I will say this some of these harassers are really clueless and don't see what they are doing as wrong. My friend who runs con security told me about this guy who asked a female cosplayer to come to his room and sit on his face. When confronted by security the guy was incredulous that what he did was wrong and didn't see it as sexual harassment. Maybe being kicked out of the con without a refund taught him it was or at least that he shouldn't say that at another con.
 

Green1

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Taking out the SJW stuff, if you run a convention most conventions and groups have rules dealing with being jerks.

The convention or FLGS is there for folks to walk up into games. Some who may not get to game otherwise because of poor network or cruddy geographic location. And they are spending big money. (Or if FLGS may spend money)

Now, I understand single guys being err.. intrigued by cute gamer girls. And girls who may not be into it and socially inept people not reading signals. No excuse. If someone is disrupting the game by hitting incessantly on someone not into it or disrupting the table, they should be warned. If it borders on something that could evolve into legal issues, the person being harassed should leave that person or group and that person or group should be warned or expelled depending on severity. If it is outright illegal, the person should spend the night in jail.

We do NOT need to create privileged classes, though or create witch hunts where someone is afraid to even look at a female wrong or allow female or male only spaces to a place where ALL come to game. There are private sessions in people's homes where you can exclude or include anyone and act how you want.

Oh, and careful, male and female, at the room parties and if you get drunk and DO hit on, kiss, or give mating signals please do not do this and go to private rooms at night with people if you are too drunk to make decisions. Responsibility and common sense. But if you are down for it, go ahead. Private hotel rooms is not the responsibility of the convention, but the individual.

There ARE very grey boundaries between responsibility and abuse.
 

I'm A Banana

Potassium-Rich
I think we have our solution. More cameras, more security, and a "See something, say something" policy.

Cuts down on the harassment by its very presence, provides the ability to prove the true accusations, and provides safeguards against innocent people being falsely accused.

Now, let's stop talking about implementing a policy of "The accusation is the evidence" and talk about how we can implement these ideas instead.

Instead? Nah, man, you could do BOTH and may your con EVEN BETTER at preventing and responding to harassment! If the security does its job, you won't need to ever implement the expulsion policy, but even just knowing its there will go a long way to making people safer away from the eyes of security and cameras (you know, it's not like there's surveillance in the bathrooms or whatever).

Sure, you might throw out some people who are innocent once in a blue moon. Even if I was the one thrown out, I would still think it is a good policy!

Green1 said:
There ARE very grey boundaries between responsibility and abuse.

There really isn't! It's one big black and white boundary, and it's explicit, enthusiastic, and intentional consent.

If you can't get or give that, it's a problem.

If you think that someone who gives it will later take it back, then don't give yours. Sometimes, it's okay to not have sexual contact with someone.
 
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Dannyalcatraz

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There really isn't! It's one big black and white boundary, and it's explicit, enthusiastic, and intentional consent.

If you can't get or give that, it's a problem.

If you think that someone who gives it will later take it back, then don't give yours. Sometimes, it's okay to not have sexual contact with someone.

I can't remember who said it, but: "All love is free love."

(IOW, if it isn't freely given, it isn't love.)
 

Libramarian

Adventurer
Clear policy. Zero tolerance. If you are accused of harassment or assault, you are asked to leave, and your ticket price is refunded. The instances of false accusation are so small in these situations, it's literally not worth making a policy allowance for that in the name of "balance."

This is a terrible idea -- what happens when smelly neckbeard man accuses cute cosplay girl of harassment, because she rolled her eyes at him or beat him in a wargame? She should be thrown out immediately?

If you spent less mental energy on indulging your superiority complex over other gamers and more on thinking through the problem you're ostensibly trying to solve, you would have realized that the current standard (use your judgement about whether harassment actually occurred here) is actually very biased in favor of women (which is as it should be!). An easily abused zero tolerance rule would be much worse for women.

The problem is the gap between the rates of harassment reported during cons, and the rates of harassment reported by women in anonymous surveys.

Do I think this gap is caused by a conspiracy of women lying during the surveys? No. I do wonder if it's caused by a difference in the definition of harassment.

There's a clear distinction to be made between physical harassment (e.g. groping) and non-physical (e.g. catcalling). I suspect that women feel much more comfortable reporting non-physical harassment during surveys than during cons, and this accounts in large part for the aforementioned gap. I would be extremely surprised if physical harassment occurs during cons at a rate higher than it does during other events where men and women congregate in close proximity (e.g. concerts, festivals). Of course that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make cons as secure and safe as possible. It does mean that I think we should maintain perspective and those of us who've never harassed anyone shouldn't get down on ourselves for being male gamers any more than male concert or festival goers.

Cons are a perfect storm for non-physical harassment because a) higher concentration of men with poor social skills and b) higher concentration of women who are shy and more sensitive.

How do we minimize the incidence of non-physical harassment? You can't prevent it with security. It's too subtle and pervasive.

The final solution would be to do what nightclubs do: face control. Simply turn away ugly and sketchy-looking men at the door. Incidences of women feeling "creeped out" will plummet. I'm not necessarily against this. Depends on the exact standards and whether it's done openly so that men who know they will fail them have a chance to avoid attending rather than be embarrassed at the door.

You'd be all for this I'm sure. I can tell by your attitude that you'd enjoy mocking the losers turned away.
 

Warbringer

Explorer
If harassment claim is in public, ask others that witnessed the event for their view on what happened. If the events support the harassed, ask the harasser to remove themselves form the premise (escorted if need be); if the claims are not supported, suggest that the two people involved find different tables and avoid each other for the remainder of the con. At this point a chat with the person accused is warranted - suggest they be more cautious, request they refrain from discussing in public what happened, and in no way consider retaliation. To the claimee, if something similar happens, especially with the same person do not hesitate to contact the con-head immediately.

If the harassment claim was in private, call the police. Plain and simple.

All of this should of course be handles by the con-head
 

dave2008

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See, that may be the issue. I don't think there is such a thing as a "right to attend." It's a private event, and the owner can boot anyone they wish, for any reason. It's in all of the Terms of Service that we all click "AGREE" to when we buy tickets for Cons.

Refunding their ticket purchase is a courtesy, intended to remove some of the sting -- since, by the letter of the Terms of Service that most Cons operate under, they don't even have to do that. "We reserve the right to deny service," etc.

That's a good point, that is not a right. There is still the practical part of my suggestion that you haven't commented on.
 

This is a terrible idea -- what happens when smelly neckbeard man accuses cute cosplay girl of harassment, because she rolled her eyes at him or beat him in a wargame? She should be thrown out immediately?

You could form a combat platoon with all the straw men in this posting.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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I actually agree that "Zero-tolerance" rules are generally a bad idea. They are a perfect example of the Law of Unintended Consequences. The end result is over punishment, including punishment of the demonstrably innocent. Why?

Such regs are typically worded in such a way that- even in light of incontrovertible proof that there is a de minimis, merely technical or even NO violation of a law- those tasked with enforcement cannot act with discretion
 

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