D&D 5E What’s So Great About Medieval Europe?

[Son of the Serpent]

That's the point.


No metal.

D&D AC is Medieval/Renaissance European based.

Attempting to make a fighter based on other cultures results in the AC being garbage or sacificing your melee attacking ability score.

1. I didnt say anything about metal. There are material means of improving shields in dnd or out of dnd that are not strictly wood.

2. I know you say you are looking for a no metal fighter but there was metal armor in the medieval/renaiscance european periods. The best in the world by far actually. Basically in every way. Euro armor was the gold standard.

3. Or have i misunderstood? Are you actually looking to redo ac like that other cultures wouod have had access to?

 

[Minigiant]

1. I didnt say anything about metal. There are material means of improving shields in dnd or out of dnd that are not strictly wood.

2. I know you say you are looking for a no metal fighter but there was metal armor in the medieval/renaiscance european periods.

I was trying to emulate warriors from Sub-Saharan Africa who did not wear metal armor and relied on large shields because the desert blocked metal trade and knowledge of metallurgy and smithing needed to produce metal armor.

I figured it was obvious by my earlier comments. Sorry.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I mean, you can't back up your point, so it's not unreasonable to believe there is none besides what just you say.

Well, no, it’s unreasonable to be unwilling to google a thing that is probably on Wikipedia.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

Well, no, it’s unreasonable to be unwilling to google a thing that is probably on Wikipedia.

And it's unreasonable to expect me to do that exclusively for your benefit.

Use your words and people will listen, don't, and people won't, it's that simple.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

I was trying to emulate warriors from Sub-Saharan Africa who did not wear metal armor and relied on large shields because the desert blocked metal trade and knowledge of metallurgy and smithing needed to produce metal armor.

I figured it was obvious by my earlier comments. Sorry.

Yeah. I edited my post and although i suppose you began responding before the edit (hense bullet 3 missing) i also suppose you saw it because this answered bullet 3 basically. Thanks.

Now that i realize what i missed and understand your comments, i have to agree. Ac based on anything non eurocentric but around the same time period is going ti result in garbage ac relative to europe. If making the difference in protection be realistic is implrtant to you i suppose there is no way around it being bad ac.

Shield and hooked sword or sheild and spear are best options.

Ac 14 makes sense as a place to stop. Depending on whether you want realistic relative strength of character class to other classes or balance you may ot may not want to add some sort of non defensive advantage. Realistically they would basically just be fragile fighters though with maybe just s smidgen more speed.

 

[Fenris-77]

Well, you could brew a rule for a tower shield and call it +3 maybe. As far as quality armor that isn't metal, the lacquered and woven armor of the samurai comes to mind. In D&D terms there are a bunch of ways you can use exotic materials to reskin higher AC armors too. So Dragon Beetle carapace gets you Splintmail, or whatever. If what you want is actually unarmored with a big shield D&D doesn't do that really well except...

There's also the Barbarian class (I know, it made me shudder to type that out in reference to Masai/Zulu style tribesman too). The point is that unarmored defense would be a big help.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Well, you could brew a rule for a tower shield and call it +3 maybe. As far as quality armor that isn't metal, the lacquered and woven armor of the samurai comes to mind. In D&D terms there are a bunch of ways you can use exotic materials to reskin higher AC armors too. So Dragon Beetle carapace gets you Splintmail, or whatever. If what you want is actually unarmored with a big shield D&D doesn't do that really well except...

There's also the Barbarian class (I know, it made me shudder to type that out in reference to Masai/Zulu style tribesman too). The point is that unarmored defense would be a big help.

Imo some of the best samurai armor is pangolin armor. But its made out of an endangered species and some people are too pious to put fancy forbidden fruit in their game.

Sub saharans wouldnt have access to that though ftr.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Here we see a ninja hiding behind some grass. You cant even tell hes not a pangolin.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

behold!

 

[doctorbadwolf]

And it's unreasonable to expect me to do that exclusively for your benefit.

Use your words and people will listen, don't, and people won't, it's that simple.

This is one of the more absurd interactions I’ve had on enworld, tbh.
It isn’t normal at all to demand citations for expressions of disagreement with a school of thought. It’s genuinely weird to do so.

If someone says that “Death of The Author” theory is largely bunk, no one demands a citation. They express disagreement, agreement, or ignore it, or ask for clarification. But demand citation? Super weird.