D&D 5E What’s So Great About Medieval Europe?

[Minigiant]

Yeah. I edited my post and although i suppose you began responding before the edit (hense bullet 3 missing) i also suppose you saw it because this answered bullet 3 basically. Thanks.

Now that i realize what i missed and understand your comments, i have to agree. Ac based on anything non eurocentric but around the same time period is going ti result in garbage ac relative to europe. If making the difference in protection be realistic is implrtant to you i suppose there is no way around it being bad ac.

Shield and hooked sword or sheild and spear are best options.

Ac 14 makes sense as a place to stop. Depending on whether you want realistic relative strength of character class to other classes or balance you may ot may not want to add some sort of non defensive advantage. Realistically they would basically just be fragile fighters though with maybe just s smidgen more speed.

Yeah, I was trying to redo AC to match those of other cultures. D&D is so eurocentric that historically making fighters that emulate warriors from parts of Africa, Asia, America, or Oceania is beyond suboptimal. Imean, it's okay if the knight has the best AC but Come on D&D!


And this all comes back to the beginning. People sayng that new books wont sell but designing books where the characters are unplayable.

If the only way to make a competent melee fighter is to make a

European style Medieval knight in metal plate armor
or
European style Medieval duelist wielding a European rapier

You can't be shocked that few POC from nonEuropean ethnic groups play your game for 30 years, D&D.

And that is fixed by hiring people who actually want to play those characters. It's the sorcerer debacle all over again.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

This is one of the more absurd interactions I’ve had on enworld, tbh.
It isn’t normal at all to demand citations for expressions of disagreement with a school of thought. It’s genuinely weird to do so.

If someone says that “Death of The Author” theory is largely bunk, no one demands a citation. They express disagreement, agreement, or ignore it, or ask for clarification. But demand citation? Super weird.

That would be, but that's not what I'm saying.

Either link those arguments, or use your own. What has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

This is one of the more absurd interactions I’ve had on enworld, tbh.
It isn’t normal at all to demand citations for expressions of disagreement with a school of thought. It’s genuinely weird to do so.

If someone says that “Death of The Author” theory is largely bunk, no one demands a citation. They express disagreement, agreement, or ignore it, or ask for clarification. But demand citation? Super weird.

People rarely demand citations for claims that a theory is bunk when it clearly is. Like critical theory.

Others, thats not the case. Like if i were to say that the theory of evolution as a product if natural selection was bunk do you really think people wouldnt ask for a veritable phonebook of citations and demonstrations?

So no. Thats not at all rare. Deoends on what theiry is being called bunk. If its one nearly anyone credible has discarded long ago then it doesnt turn many heads so then they arent all that likeoy to ask. Thats not ALL theories.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Well, you could brew a rule for a tower shield and call it +3 maybe. As far as quality armor that isn't metal, the lacquered and woven armor of the samurai comes to mind. In D&D terms there are a bunch of ways you can use exotic materials to reskin higher AC armors too. So Dragon Beetle carapace gets you Splintmail, or whatever. If what you want is actually unarmored with a big shield D&D doesn't do that really well except...

There's also the Barbarian class (I know, it made me shudder to type that out in reference to Masai/Zulu style tribesman too). The point is that unarmored defense would be a big help.

I’d say it’s reasonable to just offer Unarmored defense as an alternative to heavy armor proficiency, maybe with Strength as the secondary stat.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

That would be, but that's not what I'm saying.

Either link those arguments, or use your own. What has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Bud, I don’t care about your opinion on the matter, at this point.
You butted into an interaction between two other people, where someone had demanded citation for a statement of disagreement with a school of thought, and acted like a total ass about it.

Go find someone else to annoy.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

That would be, but that's not what I'm saying.

Either link those arguments, or use your own. What has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Also, if you want people to take your “DEBATE ME!!!!!1!” Demands seriously, maybe steer clear of parroting platitudes without actually saying anything.

I provided my arguments in the post that the other poster replied to demanding citation. Maybe read what you insert yourself into before you press “post reply”.

 

[Fenris-77]

I’d say it’s reasonable to just offer Unarmored defense as an alternative to heavy armor proficiency, maybe with Strength as the secondary stat.

That's a reasonable trade. Especially with STR not CON as the secondary. I like it.

 

[PsyzhranV2]

People rarely demand citations for claims that a theory is bunk when it clearly is. Like critical theory.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

People rarely demand citations for claims that a theory is bunk when it clearly is. Like critical theory.

Others, thats not the case. Like if i were to say that the theory of evolution as a product if natural selection was bunk do you really think people wouldnt ask for a veritable phonebook of citations and demonstrations?

No, they’d just tell you that you’re wrong, most of the time.

 

[Tonguez]

I was trying to emulate warriors from Sub-Saharan Africa who did not wear metal armor and relied on large shields because the desert blocked metal trade and knowledge of metallurgy and smithing needed to produce metal armor.

I figured it was obvious by my earlier comments. Sorry.

Iron Metalurgy was known in Sub-Saharan africa from at least 1000 BC, Metal armour was worn in Benin and Mali Empires And was taken south by the Bantu expansion.

Maybe the armourless warriors were monks,
(ie base AC on Dex, as its more about dodging and parrying than tanking a blow)