D&D 5E What’s So Great About Medieval Europe?

[Son of the Serpent]

My point is it is the Millennials who grew up on console rpgs, MMORGs, anime, 90s cartoons, and literature complex factions.

Warcraft Orcs didn't go from Brutal monsters to Noble Tribals for no reason. "You can't blame them. They were demon possessed!!" Warcraft has so many factions and subfactions that you need a wiki to follow it.

D&D has been pulled kicking and screaming to new ideas to reach new audiences. In 5 years when the Gen Z player get money, D&D will be pulled to some new things.

Fighters will be able to flash step and Monster Girls will be an official race in 20 years, I tells ya. There's gonna be so many mage-warriors. Core base fighter will have to be broken to keep up, man. 6 attacks a turn.

I think gen z will end up surprising a lot of people

Especially millenials

 

[Minigiant]

And yet WoW is filled to the brink with sentient races that are nothing but monsters to be killed. E.g. Murloks, Kobobls, Satyrs.

Well, the last are demonic in nature, but murlocs and kobolds are sentient, capable of speech, using manufactured tools, weapons and huts and yet exist only to be mercilessly cut down to had in various body parts for quest rewards.

Hooray for raising Orcs, Trolls and Tauren above the "kill on sight level", but there are still plenty of races that remain just that

Ah but many of them still have reasons why are hostile. Satyrs are demon worshippers. Kobolds are thief's and have bad leadership.

And even some races still have good members like Murlocs.

That's the generational thing. You can't have evil races just because. They have to be really stupid or possessed or have a bad leader or some excuse.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

And yet WoW is filled to the brink with sentient races that are nothing but monsters to be killed. E.g. Murloks, Kobobls, Satyrs.

Well, the last are demonic in nature, but murlocs and kobolds are sentient, capable of speech, using manufactured tools, weapons and huts and yet exist only to be mercilessly cut down to had in various body parts for quest rewards.

Hooray for raising Orcs, Trolls and Tauren above the "kill on sight level", but there are still plenty of races that remain just that

If a mosquito looked like a human and had powers of speech but was otherwise unchanged we wouldnt think they would be any less worthy of killing on sight. Whats more they would be MORE worthy of killing on sight.

If a species is designed to fill that role is it true that killing them without question is racist? No. Its not. Its a happy coincedence that they have the shape that they do.

Many "they're bad we need to kill them" species in stories and games are designed with that intent. Its not reasonable to say its always racist to take a "kill on sight" approach. What is actually rational is to draw 2 lines and things which are well and truly designed OUTSIDE one line are not racist to kill in this way. Then there is the inner line. Things inside this line are racist (or speciest) to kill in this way. Then you get the grey area. I would say orcs are in the grey are between those two lines.

But a lot of people dont even recognize that if humanoid form is a happy coincedence, depending on certain factors, there are creatures by design that are outside if the outer of the two lines. And yes. It is unreasonable to say those are racist or specist to kill on sight.

Orcs are in the grey area (if we are talking about og orcs) firmly because they are spiritually twisted beings who are designed to have a bent toward evil and savagery. Its not racist to assume so because they are designed as such matter of factly.

This is the last comment im making on orcs in this thread for a while.

 

[TheSword]

If a mosquito looked like a human and had powers of speech but was otherwise unchanged we wouldnt think they would be any less worthy of killing on sight. Whats more they would be MORE worthy of killing on sight.

You really do post some of the most bizarrely inappropriate things. I am actually wary of replying in case the response is worse.

A mosquito that talked and looked like a human would not be a mosquito. I’m not sure if it’s baiting or just naive. I suggest you shut down that whole massively inappropriate metaphor, and come up with something else to make your point.

 

[fearsomepirate]

A mosquito that looks and talks like a human but otherwise is largely the same is a vampire that can be kept away with Off instead of a cross.

 

[fearsomepirate]

More than said my piece on the subject of cultural appropriate and this thread, so I think I'll walk away now before I get irritated and bow out by saying "Watch Baahubali."

It's two films. Both were on Netflix. It's like 300 but over two generations and with song-and-dance numbers.
You'll want to forget everything I said about cultural appropriation (if you already cared) and run a game in fantasy India.

Watch Baahubali.

Oh, and definitely watch this movie. It's a whole lot of fun.

 

[Oofta]

Orcs are just a fictional plot device. Whether sentient or not, they are not real.

If the DM decides they are irrevocably evil in their campaign they are. If the DM decides they have free will, they do.

Some DMs want black hat mooks that are just monsters like the Walkers in TWD, Jason Vorhees, Freddie Kruger, Michael Myers or some alien bent on the destruction of mankind. Others want them to be humans with a rubber mask.

Neither option is right or wrong.

 

[jasper]

I miss block.

He was ahead of the game. kind of square. but a solid personality. And a chip off his dad.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

A mosquito that looks and talks like a human but otherwise is largely the same is a vampire that can be kept away with Off instead of a cross.

this made me giggle

(id argue the vampire has greater understanding of right or wrong and is funnily enough less relentless, but hyper precision wasnt really your point anyway so its a superfluous point for me to make.)

Very good joke.

 

[Umbran]

A pretty massive chunk of the player base, especially new players but plenty of middling old players like me...

Mmmmmmmmmmm most new players? Eh. No. Most dont actually care. A higher percentage do than previous gens sure, but its still a minority who really give a damn. L

It isn't like either one of you has done a lick of anything like research to come to these conclusions, now is it? These are just your personal impressions, probably highly influenced by selection bias (you game with people who are like yourself, and so you see yourself in the gaming population around you) or confirmation bias.

And yet, you argue these things as if you have some kind of actual true information.

And we wonder why these discussions go poorly?