What changes from 3.0 to 3.5 should *not* have been made?

[VirgilCaine]

Oh that's funny. The bard comes to the tavern and sings a song about the paladin Lord Ovulous and his class III sword.

You can tell it's a class III sword because all +3 weapons come with such a clear label (eg "This Weapon Cuts III"). Duh.

Oh, thats funny. Why would you go to a bard for detailed historical records?
Why not...a wizard? A cleric of a knowledge deity? No, not those--a bard of course!

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Oh, thats funny. Why would you go to a bard for detailed historical records?
Why not...a wizard? A cleric of a knowledge deity? No, not those--a bard of course!

From the journal of Archinon the Great:

"If ye should face Durin's Bane, you need one of two things:

A class III sword.

A 5th-stage mage. Ye must check the latter out for yourself - thou must use the clarity of a deity's vision and make him cast a cone of Caina. Finding one is very hard ... and no, don't bother me the next time you run into a balor."

Do you mind re-writing this without referring to enhancement bonuses, levels or numbers?

 

[jeffh]

Oh, thats funny. Why would you go to a bard for detailed historical records?
Why not...a wizard? A cleric of a knowledge deity? No, not those--a bard of course!

That whizzing sound you hear is the point sailing over your head.

"Silver" is something the characters (not players, characters) can reasonably refer to. "+3 sword" is not. Period. Who they ask is utterly beside the point.

 

[Pants]

Also, most of these are silver or +1 DR, more rarely +2 or +3. +5 is only the Tarrasque...and Greater Magic Weapon allows +3 weapons for nine hours at level nine...

Then what's the point of 'damage reduction' in this case if a level 9 wizard can bypass a Balor's DR with a simple casting of a spell? It ceases to be damage reduction at that point...

 

[Staffan]

Since time immemorial, gnomes have supposed to be quite handy at Illusion magic. Thus, it made perfect sense to make the Illusionist the gnome's favoured class. Sure, this is quiet a specific favoured class but so what? . . . think of the D&D flavour!

Now, out-of-the-blue, gnomes the Oerth over are talanted troubadours, bountiful bards, and trusty tenors!

Yeah, I'd hate to nudge the race that's supposed to be pranksters and good with illusions toward a class with spells like ghost sound, prestidigitation, magic aura, silent image, ventriloquism, blur, invisibility, minor image, mirror image, misdirection, displacement, glibness, illusory script, invisibility sphere, major image, phantom steed, hallucinatory terrain, greater invisibility, rainbow pattern, false vision, mislead, seeming, shadow evocation, irresistible dance, permanent image, programmed image, project image, and veil.

 

[WayneLigon]

Is there no respect for tradition anymore? Or is it just balance, balance, balance all the way and the *flavour* that D&D is built upon is warped and twisted on a whim?

Flavor in D&D is what the DM, in his individual campaign, makes of it. I like to think of 3E as taking a pointed stick to the brainpan of tradition; it needed it.

 

[DonaldRumsfeldsTofu]

The one change I destest is the new druid's animal companions.

Don't know why. Just rubbed me the wrong way

 

[DungeonmasterCal]

I didn't like the changes to weapon sizes. The nerfing of the buff spells could've been dropped to 10 mins per level and been ok, but not to where they are now.

Pokemounts??????

 

[Vocenoctum]

Yeah, I'd hate to nudge the race that's supposed to be pranksters and good with illusions toward a class with spells like ghost sound, prestidigitation, magic aura, silent image, ventriloquism, blur, invisibility, minor image, mirror image, misdirection, displacement, , illusory script, invisibility sphere, major image, phantom steed, hallucinatory terrain, greater invisibility, rainbow pattern, false vision, , seeming, shadow evocation, permanent image, programmed image, project image, and veil.

I mentioned it on the other thread, but here's a good place too.
The Illusionist has all these spells, at the same level as the Bard. The Illusionist gets them all earlier, because bards have slower progressions for spells.

glibness

This one is totally bard, woohoo!

mislead, irresistible dance, project image

These spells have a reduced spell level. Mislead is 5 (bard) 6 (illusionist), dance 6 (bard) 8 (illusionist) & project image is 6 (bard) 7(illusionist)

because of slower progression for the bard though, he still gets those spells after the illusionist already has them.

 

[Spatula]

Yeah, I'd hate to nudge the race that's supposed to be pranksters and good with illusions toward a class with spells like ghost sound, prestidigitation, magic aura, silent image, ventriloquism, blur, invisibility, minor image, mirror image, misdirection, displacement, glibness, illusory script, invisibility sphere, major image, phantom steed, hallucinatory terrain, greater invisibility, rainbow pattern, false vision, mislead, seeming, shadow evocation, irresistible dance, permanent image, programmed image, project image, and veil.

And what spells on that list does the illusionist not get, and at an earlier class level?

Strangely enough, illusionists are better... well, illusionists than bards are.