What does Videogamey mean to you?

[Garthanos]

If you really have no clue and/or are interested in the specifics you can always ask "how so?" and most will be happy to explain.

Yeah it was claimed remaining vague was perfectly reasonable because the other-side really just wants to fight you and ... it was counter pointed out that your first statement was vague because you want to see who was meat for your trolling and if you keep it vague they might show you there soft underbelly ie the elements they are afraid are like a videogame but they like or which they dont like and you can jab at there participation in it.
Video games and rpgs are an incestuous lot raised together in the same era with so much overlap there is always a correlation...

 

[lutecius]

I dont think most people inclined to use it are just going to just let it drop they want to do something with that verbal tool... fish for like minded folk to commiserate with or bait for people to use as adversaries in debate
which may or maynot be pointless.

Well if you want to enrage ... dont post clear meaning... you can better figure out what the target likes or dislikes if you can get them guessing.

The vague unclearness also works for somebody wanting to find like minds who isnt really picky about them being "really" like minds... just wanting to wave the same flag.

or one in a million video-games will have anything like the feature and you just want to fly your flag with the others using the term because they are on your side of the edition war.

wow, you really seem to assume the worst of people. do you really think a majority of posters here, even among edition warriors, only want to enrage the "other side" or automatically root for their own, regardless of the topic?
Is it so hard for you to accept that certain aspects of 4e actually reminded some gamers of videogames?

 

[Budalic]

Yeah, they effectively just changed those skills to Paragon/Renegade actions and gave the choice to choose them during encounters...effectively making them a resource that you can use passively to unlock actions/results in game.

While I originally was unhappy with ME2's much sparser character options, I came to actually appreciate how they streamlined it and made very choice more meaningful.

Where could a thread about a cRPGs or a single cRPG be started on enworld?

Would there be enough interest?

I've got a feeling that discussing a game (a storyline or gameworld) with p&p RPG-ers would be vastly different than with a regular videogamers (who are very broad, differentiated and often intelligent group with one big flaw - they don't know anything about D&D)

 

[Garthanos]

wow, you really seem to assume the worst of people. do you really think a majority of posters here, even among edition warriors, only want to enrage the "other side"

fancy that lumping "everyone" in with edition warriors like that?

Beating old topics with resurrected catch phrases ad nauseum (sometimes via obvious sock puppets) when the meaning has well associated connotations,reminds me a little of revisionist history in Germany. I saw somebody doing this bashing to 3e annoyed me all to hell but I reallly havent played 3e. I started playing a game of 3e thought that some interesting mechanical elements had been added but the game had a dm whose face was in the book constantly and teenager who just liked acting up.

I think edition warriors get to be sublter over time this place seems to have a few pet trolls who skirt acceptability because it is an intellectual challenge... others blaze there flag in there sigs.. like one fellow who implies 4e fans do not want intelligent conversion just have their itch scratched.

or automatically root for their own, regardless of the topic?

Some call that being a fan
alcatraz is calling the healing surge mechanic because something like it is in 1 vg
I think I heard the first person calling it video gamey ...say he didnt know any games with a similar mechanic... it was videogamy to him not because it had any association with videogames.... it was because it seemed a limit he didnt "get" making it arbitrary more like a game so video games are games that limit you so that must make it a valid comparison. ummm yeah and the hole idea of this term even meaning its like videogames goes down the sinker.

Here is another quote....

A MontyHaul-Killer-ImaginationSupressingByTheBook DM & Unimaginative - Passive players can transform any D&D into some of the worst elements of video games. And AD&D was a serious offender... if you had the wrong people playing with you. .​

So saying "I hate D&D its a video game on paper" or the variants is not very far from somebody saying those who like D&D must like or be like the above.

Is it so hard for you to accept that certain aspects of 4e actually reminded some gamers of videogames?

No I would be incredibly surprised if people didn't see similarities... video games get more similar to D&D all the time.

I am channelling my inner synic and he hasnt had his meds and resents implication that I should be tolerant I had to take ByronD off ignore cause he made some incredibly sensible statements.. which has the synic all edgy. Apologize for excess hostility... happy go lucky be back later.

 

[WizarDru]

Just a quick reminder: "Video-gamey" is not a 4E-specific term. In point of fact, it was leveled at 3E D&D almost from the start. Eberron was called videogamey many times, as has the Forgotten Realms game AND novels. There are plenty of examples out there.

I mean, it's not a new discussion, as the ENworld thread from 2003 illustrates, we still don't have an accepted standard definition. As this 2006 thread on Circus Maximus shows us the perjorative terms of Animey, videogamey and rollplaying have been circulating for years. Long enough for people to have become tired of the weak shorthand they seem to be used as in some discussions.


That's why the term 'videogamey' seems so vague and not terribly useful. I've seen it applied to three editions of D&D now...usually by people referring to how the new edition IS and the LAST EDITION WAS NOT. It dilutes the message when you see the exact same accusation that was leveled against one edition be applied against the next and the next after that.

 

[Raven Crowking]

WizarDru,

As with any term that is not binary, X is can be Y, but Z can be moreso.

That a term is not binary is no reason to declare it unusable.

Of course, people have been applying the term "D&D" to games other than the 1974 game since 1974, so that term is probably too vague to continue being used as well. After all, I've heard classic Traveller and Champions referred to as D&D!

 

[WizarDru]

That a term is not binary is no reason to declare it unusable.

Well, that's true. But my point was that over the years I've seen it used as a pejorative both in defense and as an accusation of the same system. Third Edition, for example, was declared to be 'videogamey' and 'animey'. I don't hear people who are using the term as a pejorative in reference to Fourth Edition saying "This is even more videogamey than 3.x!" If I saw it used in that context (or even "D&D has been trending more and more to reflect the limitations and simplifications of console or PC RPGs, and it's a trend I don't like) I'd have less issue with it.

Part of the problem I have with usage of the term is 'videogamey' to me is dramatically broad. Twenty years ago, I'd have found it less so, perhaps. But in a world with games like Mass Effect 2, Grand Theft Auto IV and Scribblenauts (to name a few), I'm having a hard time drawing the lines one what 'videogamey' actually is. Most people probably mean CRPGs or just MMORPGs when they say 'videogamey'...but then I wish they'd just say that. I certainly think there's validity to that argument. To say that D&D is more like Scribblenauts, Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes or Heavy Rain? Not as much.

 

[MichaelSomething]

D&D is very videogamey, in that it contains people who wish to recreate old school style gaming.

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While I'm here, I figure I capitalize on this topic by making this new thread vaguely related to this.

Also, I would totally play in a campaign based on Sribblenauts. How can I resist traveling back in time to ride a dinosaur while battling robot zombies?

 

[tallyrand]

Videogamey to me is after I take out a bad guy, the corpse flashes and then disappears, leaving behind a whole cooked turkey or ham, I eat it, and all my hit points are restored.

Videogamey to me means that if there is a TPK, we can all start over at the Inn where we last slept.

 

[steenan]

To me, "videogamey" means "it bases the fun on things I may find in video games". If a table top game is videogamy by this definition, it is usually not worth playing more than one or two times, and definitely not worth buying - why do something in a tabletop if I get it in videogames too and videogames make it easier, faster and better looking? Videogames give me balanced character advancement, fun tactical combat, lots of magic items and various special powers. To win me, tabletop RPG has to give me something not "videogamy", something I cannot find elsewhere. It may be a world that really lives, instead of idly waiting for me to interact with it. It may be NPCs with depth. It may be emotional ties, value conflicts and hard choices. It may be deep immersion. But it needs to be something that comes from human creativity and emotion, something no algorithm and no set of rules generates by itself.