What is your favourite Trek series, and why?

Favourite Trek series

  • The Original Series

    Votes: 22 16.8%
  • The Animated Series

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The Next Generation

    Votes: 50 38.2%
  • Deep Space Nine

    Votes: 46 35.1%
  • Voyager

    Votes: 4 3.1%
  • Enterprise

    Votes: 9 6.9%

Ranger REG said:
Twice? I thought he was offered once. The other time, he was offered the position of Commandant of Starfleeet Academy.

I think Section 31 has something to do with that. Remember at the end of "The Pegasus" when he revealed the secret Fed. cloaking device to the Romulans, and Admiral Pressman says something about having friends in high places? Gee, I wonder who those friends could be? There's evidence that Section 31 goes all the way up to the top brass in Starfleet.

And this probably isn't the first time Picard did stuff like that. They probably won't promote him as punishment. Remember that when he was offered to head up Starfleet Academy, a lot of the top brass were under the control of those alien parasites.


Riker has turned down 3 command assignments with captaincy.

That's 'cause he turned into a huge wuss as the series progressed.
 
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Eternalknight said:
Wow. How in heck did this old thread get dug up? :cool:

Tell me. I submitted my own response, and responded to some of the messages before noticing the thread dated back to June. (I should have guessed it from some of the messages that talked about the Enterprise cliffhanger.) Ugh. I generally don't like to participate in old discussions that have generally died down. Oh well.
 

Orius said:


Tell me. I submitted my own response, and responded to some of the messages before noticing the thread dated back to June. (I should have guessed it from some of the messages that talked about the Enterprise cliffhanger.) Ugh. I generally don't like to participate in old discussions that have generally died down. Oh well.

Ah well. It's all good :D
 

RangerWickett said:
The Next Generation had the ingenious explorative impulse of the original series, but it was far more developed and mature. After the first season, Next Gen became a great series. The actors were uniformly excellent, with enough diversity to have a huge array of episode styles (Data, Riker, and Picard are all very different), and a chemistry that just worked better. I loved every character in The Next Generation, but only about half on DS9, and . . . two on Voyager. The original series was too immature . . . too Roddenberry . . . to really compete.

Testify! I could not have said it better myself!
 

If I may

Without being defensive, as everyone is allowed their opinion, I think that TNG had more obstacles than even TOS and did as well as it could for its time.

Let me explain where I am coming from and why I think that.

TV is an evolution. Today, things are aired that would have gotten X ratings 50 years ago. They wouldn't have been suitable for TV. For example, congress, hot on the heels of McCarthy, actually passed a decency act about what could be shown on TV. That's why no parents in the 50s shows ever slept in the same bed!

TV, especially non SciFi, also has NEVER accurately depicted real life. Ever. While it is good fantasy, I think people forget that TV *doesn't* try and be real. In some cases, it is because real life is too strange to accurately show. In other cases, its because life is too complicated to show.

I say that non SciFi only because in SciFi, usually there aren't unrealistic love triangles or everyone sleeping with everyone that you get in dramas. While there might be tension, usually SciFi doesn't cross that boundary. (And when they do, X-Files, is usually when the show "jumps the shark".)

The other thing to remember is that TV is what Marx would call the opiate of masses today. It is the Roman equivalent of the arena. It keeps most people, myself included, entertained and happy. In including myself, though, I try and stay away from garbage. Entertaining SciFi and character developing series are what draw me to TV. Not mindless banter that some Exec thinks is good TV. ("People watch the crap on TV for the same reason that Eskimoes eat blubber. *It's the only thing on the Arctic buffet.*" Dennis Miller, ranting about how TV is bad because, in his opinion, that's what execs think people want.)

Anyway, I mention all of that as background because I think that TNG had to fight a LOT more. What we don't realize is that the 40s - 60s was actually TVs infancy. Especially the late 50s and the 60s. It wasn't until then that TVs were household things. During this time, there were little controls, until Congress came along.

So, Trek in the 60s had to worry about how they did what they did but they could still get away with a lot, especially in terms of social commentary.

When we jump ahead to the 80s, TV is even more regulated, although we are still several years from the TV-14, MA, etc. ratings that are now common, there were more controls. (Ed Meese, anyone?) So, the new Trek series has to work within the framework of the 80s.

The new Trek also has a double bladed sword to contend with, the fans. The fans were starved for Trek, as the movies showed, but they also wanted a good show in Trek. So, TNG was a sure thing that would also get more criticism than anything else.

I use that to explain the first season. The first season is so similar to TOS in how they structured the shows. This is because I think they wanted to go with a "tried and true" concept that TOS had. The format is just too close to TOS and in that way, that is how TNG pays homage to TOS.

There are many other factors, of course. Since it was syndicated, there is a LOT of pressure from the parent company to make independent shows. That allows a viewer to start watching at any time and not feel as if they missed something. (If you have ever heard any commentary on TNG or even B5, there is a LOT of pressure to have stand alone shows.)

Now, as we have seen TV evolve (and it would be a very interesting thing to argue how things evolve. Could we have had the TV we have now in the 70s? Or does what we have now represent the evolution that had to occur to be where we are now? And of course, this can go to many different areas.) we are seeing shows do very different things.

In that regards, this is possibly the one area that Trek was not the first show to do that kind of continuity. B5 was. I think, more than anything else, that B5 was the show that showed that a series can be successful, even if a viewer can't jump in to a late season and follow what is going on.

IIRC, I don't think that DS9 had this continuity until after two or three seasons. At least, I don't remember it from the seasons that I watched. It certainly wasn't better or worse than TNGs. From what I have heard, it got much better in the later seasons.

So, to finally end this rave on TV, as I like the progression and I like that shows have continuity now, the reason that I don't like Voyager is because it could have had the best continuity and it had the worst. TNG didn't have the best, I agree, but as I hoped I have explained, I don't think the times were ready for that kind of show.

Therefore, Enterprise wins with me because it is following that trend of having strong continuity while also honoring TOS and the other shows while still being its own show. Although, I too want to see more with the "myth" episodes of the Suliban and find out what is going on. I was hoping they could deal with the temporal cold war more in the second season than they are.

I know that I am probably making things more complicated than they are. I don't see conspiracies in everything but I do see an interconnected-ness that does affect how things like TV series develop.

Sorry for being so long winded and preachy. That wasn't my intent but I really like this discussion.

btw, it was my fault this was resurrected. I found a link to it from somewhere else and just had to respond.

Thanks!

edg

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Sorry, but that is laughable, especially when there were many interviews by Brannon Braga expressing about his feeling toward "continuity," which is something he don't embraced. :rolleyes:

AFAIC, this ENTERPRISE series do not take place in the known Trek universe or reality but one of the alternates. That's the only way I can and will enjoy this show ... if I ever feel like watching it. Although it would be nice if they did that mirror universe version, but that wouldn't sit well with the philosophy and format of Star Trek embraced by the majority of Trek fans.
 

Babylon 5 is the greatest sci-fi show ever. End of story. They accually cared about continuty, something I have NEVER seen in a trek show.
Example, in TREK:TOS "a piece of the action" (the one with the gansters) Kirk has them set the SHIPS phasers to stun, they fired and a bunch of people on the ground went down stunned. They NEVER use this again, you know how many riots, conflicts, LIVES they could save if they did this instead of fighting?
 

KenM said:
Babylon 5 is the greatest sci-fi show ever. End of story. They accually cared about continuty, something I have NEVER seen in a trek show.
That's a bold statement, man. But it's all good. I never really cared much for B5 but more power to those who did. Everyone's got an opinion. All time best sci-fi series, tho? Personally, I think there are many shows that are great but the only one that is the best is whatever I am enjoying most at a given time. :D

TOS was important because it allowed other shows to be made after it. Unfortunately, the creator is dead and some other folks are in charge who really don't know what to do with the material. They are hit and miss. Except with their movies: they all have missed....
 

John Crichton said:

Except with their movies: they all have missed....
I beg to differ. TWOK is the most memorable, using the same villain from TOS hell-bent on revenge. TVH was a sign of the time, when Earth Day and saving the environment was a big thing. It harkens back to the successful formula of focusing on social issues. TUC is another great movie that focus on beginning of a fragile yet friendly relations between the Federation and Klingon Empire. TFC is almost a mirror of TWOK (character development) by focusing on Picard's obsession and his personal demon regarding his captivity with the Borg, and the guilt of becoming Locutus and aiding the Borg in the near-destruction of the Federation.

They're not misses. :D
 

Ranger REG said:

I beg to differ. TWOK is the most memorable, using the same villain from TOS hell-bent on revenge. TVH was a sign of the time, when Earth Day and saving the environment was a big thing. It harkens back to the successful formula of focusing on social issues. TUC is another great movie that focus on beginning of a fragile yet friendly relations between the Federation and Klingon Empire. TFC is almost a mirror of TWOK (character development) by focusing on Picard's obsession and his personal demon regarding his captivity with the Borg, and the guilt of becoming Locutus and aiding the Borg in the near-destruction of the Federation.

They're not misses. :D
Oh, no no no no.... I must have mispoke! I loved the TOS movies (even the bad ones!). I have greatly disliked the the Nex Gen movies. I have found them uninspired and generally bad. Treks 2, 4 & 6 were some of my all time favorite films... :)

First Contact was okay, but the rest of the NexGen flicks have been bad in comparison...
 
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