D&D (2024) what should the wizard's subclasses be?

[Horwath]

look you start down that path we just end up classless and that is not an upgrade merely a side grade.

I have zero problems with classless being an option for D&D.

Just pick 2 or 3 feat(ure)s every level and make your own character.

OFC, there can always be prebuild "kits" that players can take if they do not want a custom character.

only thing important for CR and encounter building is level of characters and what abilities can be taken at which level.

 

[shadowoflameth]

I have seen people complain about the concepts of the wizard's subclasses, what should the basic ideas be instead as I myself can't think of any?

My thoughts if there are only going to be 4 in the revised PHB

1. A school specialist; Necromancer, Illusionist and so on. Choosing a school.
2. A war mage. (Revised).
3. An item creation specialist; scrolls, potions, weapons etc.
4. A summoner .

 

[Mind of tempest]

I have zero problems with classless being an option for D&D.

Just pick 2 or 3 feat(ure)s every level and make your own character.

OFC, there can always be prebuild "kits" that players can take if they do not want a custom character.

only thing important for CR and encounter building is level of characters and what abilities can be taken at which level.

classes are kind of part of dnd image plus the choice paralysis would suck and people would min max things to heights not seen since pun pun.

some times more classes are there for a reason as it makes it easier on the player and the dm to explain how things fit together.

My thoughts if there are only going to be 4 in the revised PHB

1. A school specialist; Necromancer, Illusionist and so on. Choosing a school.
2. A war mage. (Revised).
3. An item creation specialist; scrolls, potions, weapons etc.
4. A summoner .

3 is artificer
4 summoner is a school, you repeated number one.

 

[mellored]

4 subclasses of the Arcane.

Sorcerer: gets meta magic
Bard: gets bardic inspiration
Wizards: gets spell books
Bladesinger: gets weapon proficiency

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

4 subclasses of the Arcane.

Sorcerer: gets meta magic
Bard: gets bardic inspiration
Wizards: gets spell books
Bladesinger: gets weapon proficiency

This would really be the best, IMHO. There's an over proliferation of spellcaster in 5e.

I mean, we dont have a different fighter class for a fighter who is under the tutelage of a famed weapon master, or one who inherited a special blade and talent from her mother. You dont have a class for pole-arm wielder (with lancer, sohei, staff dancer etc as archetypes) vs a class for bludgeoning weapons (hammerer, siege juggernaut, avalanche hurler etc).

 

[Remathilis]

This would really be the best, IMHO. There's an over proliferation of spellcaster in 5e.

I mean, we dont have a different fighter class for a fighter who is under the tutelage of a famed weapon master, or one who inherited a special blade and talent from her mother. You dont have a class for pole-arm wielder (with lancer, sohei, staff dancer etc as archetypes) vs a class for bludgeoning weapons (hammerer, siege juggernaut, avalanche hurler etc).

D&D only needs two classes: sword guy and spell guy. But good luck selling that the vast majority of players.

 

[mellored]

D&D only needs two classes: sword guy and spell guy. But good luck selling that the vast majority of players.

There are enough differences in spell lists to make different classes. Clerics play different than wizards, even if they use the same casting rules.

But I don't see a reason to have 3 classes that all cast the same spells the same number of times, with only a feature or 2 that is different. That's what subclasses are for.

 

[Horwath]

classes are kind of part of dnd image plus the choice paralysis would suck and people would min max things to heights not seen since pun pun.

some times more classes are there for a reason as it makes it easier on the player and the dm to explain how things fit together.

That is why I said as an option. at the end of class section it can be: create your own class.

just as custom lineage should have been: create your own lineage/race/species.

 

[shadowoflameth]

classes are kind of part of dnd image plus the choice paralysis would suck and people would min max things to heights not seen since pun pun.

some times more classes are there for a reason as it makes it easier on the player and the dm to explain how things fit together.

3 is artificer
4 summoner is a school, you repeated number one.

#3 I do not intend artificer. I intend for a wizard with full casting specializing in making permanent items.
#4 is not a duplicate. There is no Summoner School in the PHB or elsewhere in official rules that I'm aware of. You may be thinking of PF.

 

[Mind of tempest]

#3 I do not intend artificer. I intend for a wizard with full casting specializing in making permanent items.
#4 is not a duplicate. There is no Summoner School in the PHB or elsewhere in official rules that I'm aware of. You may be thinking of PF.

3 that has been the artifcer before thus it might be again plus it would directly comet for the slot.

4 how is summoner different from Conjuration?