Immoralkickass
Adventurer
Not sure what you're asking. Do you mean 'which spells would you buff?'
D&D 5E What Spells Would You De-Nerf? (and how would you change them...)
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
LOL yes, I did. Edited and thank you.
I know of at least one:
As you can see, it requires an attack roll, allows a save at the end of each of the target's turns, and requires concentration. Why make it a ranged spell attack when it does no damage? Why have a save every round if you also have to concentrate on it?
My De-Nerf would be to remove the ranged spell attack roll, replace it with a DEX save maybe (or CON, but that probably wouldn't be as effective), and either remove the CON save or concentration. I think the most powerful combination would be this:
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MechaTarrasque
Hero
I think I would make Arms of Hadar be concentration 1 minute, and you would use your reaction to trigger it. I can see bladelocks really liking that change.
Charm Person, Monster, etc... return it to its original form. A long term effect with a save frequency based on the intelligence of the creature (once per day for high int, once per month for low int).
It is a shame that its only 1 hour? So much lost opportunity for tragic disaster.
It is a shame that its only 1 hour? So much lost opportunity for tragic disaster.
RobJN
Adventurer
This. Very much this.
Li Shenron
Legend
Not exactly a de-nerf, but I would remove GP costs to many spells if not all.
In general I don't think it was a good idea to still have spells with a GP cost in 5e, because money can have a very different importance depending on a group's playstyle and fantasy setting, and a GP cost can be negligible in one game and a real dealbreaker in another.
Lanefan
Victoria Rules
I think you should always have to roll to hit with any ray effect.LOL yes, I did. Edited and thank you.
I know of at least one:
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As you can see, it requires an attack roll, allows a save at the end of each of the target's turns, and requires concentration. Why make it a ranged spell attack when it does no damage? Why have a save every round if you also have to concentrate on it?
My De-Nerf would be to remove the ranged spell attack roll, replace it with a DEX save maybe (or CON, but that probably wouldn't be as effective), and either remove the CON save or concentration. I think the most powerful combination would be this:
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My de-nerf would be to remove the concentration piece, remove the save-each-round, and just give it a fixed duration. I'd also make it affect everything else tied to Strength rather than just weapon attacks e.g. casting R-of-E on someone climbing a wall should make that climb a lot harder. In other words, it actually knocks down your Strength score for a short time.
Also the initial save would be Con based, not Dex based; your Dex is already helping you try to dodge the ray when it tries to hit you.
And repeated successful castings on the same target should stack!
Lanefan
Victoria Rules
Somewhere in between, is my preference. A dumb monster or an idiot should maybe get a save a week; an average person should maybe get a save every day or two; a genius should get a save every few hours.
BUT - to make things fun, those subsequent saves should be Wisdom-based rather than Int based.
Lanefan
Victoria Rules
Small picky costs, yes. 10 g.p. here and 25 g.p. there just gets annoying after a while.
But, big BIG costs for some key spells are something I'd add in if not already present. Raise Dead should cost thousands in sacrifices to the caster's deity; Resurrection even more (and Revivify should simply not exist).
Greater Restoration should also pack a heavy cost depending on what's being restored, with a lower but very-non-zero cost for Lesser.
One-time significant expenses for valuable reuseable components for some spells I'm fine with.
And of course a DM could always adjust these values to suit the general treasure level of her particular campaign.
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