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[Hypersmurf]

Did it? Complete Divine came out before Complete Arcane, and I don't remember if either of those feats existed prior to those books.

Persistent Spell, Player's Guide to Faerun, March 17, 2004.
Divine Metamagic, Complete Divine, May 14th, 2004.

Dates courtesy of amazon.com.

-Hyp.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Persistent Spell is also in the SRD. I was under the impression that the Divine stuff in the SRD came from Deities and Demigods.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Persistent Spell is also in the SRD. I was under the impression that the Divine stuff in the SRD came from Deities and Demigods.

My undertanding (which could be wrong, since I don't have D&Dg): a few (closed content) feats from other books appeared in D&Dg because they were used in some of the deities' stat blocks. These made it into the SRD when the Divine content was added.

In some cases (like the +4 -> +6 level increase change for Persistent Spell), the SRD forms have incorporated 3E -> 3.5 changes.

-Hyp.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Persistent Spell, Player's Guide to Faerun, March 17, 2004.
Divine Metamagic, Complete Divine, May 14th, 2004.

Dates courtesy of amazon.com.

-Hyp.

Hmmm...

In that case, it's entirely possible that the authors of CD were utterly unaware of the feat. There's often more than a year of lag time between writing and publication. If the books came out only two months apart, it's entirely possible they were being written simultaneously--or at least, within a month or two of each other.

 

[Mouseferatu]

None of which changes the fact, incidentally, that if Mechanic X + Mechanic Y = Broken Result Z, it does not necessarily follow that either X or Y are broken on their own. Sometimes, things just synergize in odd ways.

(Not saying that in reference to Divine Metamagic specifically--I know there's disagreement there--but as a more general statement.)

 

[Sithobi1]

No, Persistent Spell was in one of the 3.0 splats long before Divine Metamagic was created; its cost just wasn't as high at that time.

 

[Hypersmurf]

No, Persistent Spell was in one of the 3.0 splats long before Divine Metamagic was created; its cost just wasn't as high at that time.

But prior to PGtF, it didn't exist as a 3.5 feat.

If the combination of a 3.5 feat and a 3E feat results in brokenness, that's not really anyone's fault - any more than the combination of a 3.5 feat and a 2E kit, for example.

-Hyp.

 

[Liquidsabre]

Anyone have a link to a previous thread on Divine Metamagic + Persistent spell? I've always wondered at that, never seen a problem with it both on paper and at the game table. Just curious.

 

[EyeontheMountain]

As a house rule I use sudden metamagic feats in my game exclusively, usable three times a day. I find they don't particularly affect balance and they make the game a lot more fun for the spellcasters. I'm glad I adopted that rule.

Question, What do you do with Sudden Quicken? What requiremnts does it have in your game?

 

[Mistwell]

Let's not forget the damage that stackable Night Sticks (from Libris Mortis) add to the Divine Metamagic equation.