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[Patlin]

My favorite three invocations for a low level Warlock:

Balefull Utterance -- I'd eventually trade it out, since everything important enough to break at higher levels is probably magical anyway.
Sickening Blast -- Why not weaken your enemies while you blast them? I'd plan to eventually trade this out, once better essence invocations are at hand.
Eldritch Spear -- Range can be important!

 

[KarinsDad]

KD:
Well, as long as you're getting good at concentration anyway...



Gaining psionic focus is a use of the concentration skill, I don't see why you can't use the skill defensively.

Hmmm.

I had never thought about that.

Course, it comes down to whether the DM allows you to use two skills simultaneously.

1) A DC 20 Concentration check to regain the focus (this is a nonaction part of the regain).
2) A DC 15 Concentration check to avoid the AoO for #1 (this is a free action).


I am of the school that you are either concentrating on x, or concentrating on y. If you concentrate on two things at the same time (which should not be an easy thing to do), both actions should have an increase to the DC (e.g. +5).

Would you allow someone to Climb and Tumble at the same time with no increase in DC?

 

[Patlin]

I routinely let spellcasters cast defensively, I don't see how regaining your focus defensively should be any harder.

 

[KarinsDad]

I routinely let spellcasters cast defensively, I don't see how regaining your focus defensively should be any harder.

Well, with regard to RAW, you are correct. This is allowed.

However, it too has a downside:

If the Concentration check fails, the related action also automatically fails (with any appropriate ramifications), and the action is wasted, just as if your concentration had been disrupted by a distraction.

So, if either Concentration roll fails, the Meditation fails.


I just have a personal issue with concentrating on two activities at the same time.

 

[DungeonMaester]

DM:
Do you really get a lesser invocation (which the Fly one is) by 3rd level? I'm pretty sure (though also without my book on me) that you get three least invocations before getting a lesser, and you get fewer than one invocation per level.

No, You are right. I looked at the rules over again and saw a differnece between Least and lesser.

My favorite three invocations for a low level Warlock:

Balefull Utterance -- I'd eventually trade it out, since everything important enough to break at higher levels is probably magical anyway.
Sickening Blast -- Why not weaken your enemies while you blast them? I'd plan to eventually trade this out, once better essence invocations are at hand.
Eldritch Spear -- Range can be important!

Robert SMASH!

I just have a personal issue with concentrating on two activities at the same time.

Why? In real time, its something I do constantly!

So here is the updated version of my Warlock

Robert Terrance Belsmith CG Human Warlock

Str 12 +1 HP 21
Dex 18+4 AC 19 (10 nat, 4 dex, 5 exalted) Touch 14, Flatfooted 15
Int 12+1 Fort 1
Wis 12+1 Ref 4
Con 12+1 Will 3
Cha 18+4

Bab 2
Grapple 3

Feats
------
Sacred Vow (+2 Diplo)
Vow of poverty (abilties)
Weapon Focus (Ray)
Kiss of the Nymph (+2 on any cha checks, 1 extra skill point a level)
Extra Invocations x2
Flaws
-----
1)
2)

Ex and Su
---
Elderic Blast 2d6 (at will)
1) Baleful Utterance (As the spell shatter, at will)
2) Elderic Spear (Range 120)
3) Spider walk
4) Entropic ward
Damage reduction 1/cold iron
Detect magic (at will)
Vop
1) +5 exalted bonus to ac
2) Bonus Exalted feats

Skills (Skill rank/Ability mod/Other)
---
Bluff 4+4+2=10
Concentrate 4+1=5
Intimadate 2+4+2=8
K. Arcane 2+1=3
K. Planes 2+1=3
K. Relgions 2+1=3
Sence Motive 4+4+2=10
Spellcraft 2+1=3
(CC) Diplomacy 2+4+2=8

Attacks
--------
Elderic Blast (+6 touch attack) 2d6 damage

So..How would spellcrafting new spells work for a Warlock?

---Rusty

 

[DungeonMaester]

Dont Warlocks have little need for pumping dcs?

For the elderic blast no, but alot of the other invactions have dcs, and weak ones at that.

My favorite three invocations for a low level Warlock:

Balefull Utterance -- I'd eventually trade it out, since everything important enough to break at higher levels is probably magical anyway.
Sickening Blast -- Why not weaken your enemies while you blast them? I'd plan to eventually trade this out, once better essence invocations are at hand.
Eldritch Spear -- Range can be important!

Elderic spear is one im thinkin g about, playing to standing FAR back to not take hits. Sickenblast in my opinion isnt worth it in my opinion, becuase 'sickening' a oppenet isn't very effective and its a low dc at that. Baleful utterance..Well, is some I most likly will keep through the game.

I have been thinking about spell crafting for warlocks, which would make feat for extra useless. Since there are no meterial componets for it, its free and only cost the the time to craft.

---Rusty

 

[KarinsDad]

Why? In real time, its something I do constantly!

Well, you are a special person then.

There is a difference between doing several things at the same time and concentrating on several things at the same time.

That's why some people get into car accidents: concentrating on makeup or a cell phone instead of concentrating on driving.

 

[DungeonMaester]

Well, you are a special person then.

There is a difference between doing several things at the same time and concentrating on several things at the same time.

That's why some people get into car accidents: concentrating on makeup or a cell phone instead of concentrating on driving.

I dont think the agrument was about doing several things, just two things, which isnt a far stretch.

---Rusty

 

[KarinsDad]

I dont think the agrument was about doing several things, just two things, which isnt a far stretch.

Actually, it was a discussion (not an argument) about using the Concentration skill twice at the same time. This is a lot different than doing two things at the same time.

Try writing a sentence and reading a book simultaneously on two different topics. A lot different than walking and chewing gum at the same time. The first involves concentrating on two different things and the second does not.

And, I agree it can be done via RAW. I just personally do not think it very plausible.

 

[irdeggman]

VoP can work for a Warlock but it will eliminate several class features.

The character can never use a magic item so his UMD is useless and his clas abilities, deceive item (4th level) and Imbue Item (12th level) are wasted.

Do not forget that even though a warlock can use his invocation "at will" he can still only use a spell-like ability once per round (they are standard actions).

IMO precise shot feat chain is more valuable than weapon focus since you will be using ranged touch attacks (already have a pretty good chance of attack becasue of that so the +1 isn't that valuable) and your allies will most likely be in melee (hence the ignore the -4 to attack rolls).

Eldritch spear is also one of the best shape invocations to have at low levels (in order to remain out of reach of the enemy).

What is this referece to spell crafting? (That is I don't understand what this is.)