What to play on National D&D day

[DungeonMaester]

Actually, it was a discussion (not an argument) about using the Concentration skill twice at the same time. This is a lot different than doing two things at the same time.

Try writing a sentence and reading a book simultaneously on two different topics. A lot different than walking and chewing gum at the same time. The first involves concentrating on two different things and the second does not.

And, I agree it can be done via RAW. I just personally do not think it very plausible.

Agurment, disscusion, debate ect ect, all the same meaning.

As far as I understoond, it was about the Con skill at the same time on spellcasting.

VoP can work for a Warlock but it will eliminate several class features.

The character can never use a magic item so his UMD is useless and his clas abilities, deceive item (4th level) and Imbue Item (12th level) are wasted.

Do not forget that even though a warlock can use his invocation "at will" he can still only use a spell-like ability once per round (they are standard actions).

IMO precise shot feat chain is more valuable than weapon focus since you will be using ranged touch attacks (already have a pretty good chance of attack becasue of that so the +1 isn't that valuable) and your allies will most likely be in melee (hence the ignore the -4 to attack rolls).

Eldritch spear is also one of the best shape invocations to have at low levels (in order to remain out of reach of the enemy).

What is this referece to spell crafting? (That is I don't understand what this is.)

1) Oh well, I like what Vop gets more then the once class abililty. Also good point about UMD, i'll drop skill from that.

2) Yeah, but there is a SLA meta for quicken at least.

3) I like my +6 to touch attack at the moment.

4) I agree. Blast them for far away and break there stuff.

As far as the spell crafting- Well, creating one's own elderic abilties as Wizards make there own spells.

---Rusty

 

[irdeggman]

As far as the spell crafting- Well, creating one's own elderic abilties as Wizards make there own spells.

---Rusty

Should be like sorcerers can create new spells since the mechanics are closer. A warlock is strictly limited to the number of invocations he can know (just like a sorcerer) except via the Extra Invocation feat.


By the way Complete Mage has some pretty good Prestige classes for warlocks. Some divine caster/invocation combinations, some arcane spell caster/invocation combinations, etc.

 

[irdeggman]

2) Yeah, but there is a SLA meta for quicken at least.

---Rusty

Not quite as useful as most think. Has to be 10th level warlock to qualify and then can do it 3 times per day.

QUICKEN SPELL-LIKE ABILITY [GENERAL]
Prerequisite: Spell-like ability at caster level 10th or higher.

Benefit: Choose one of the creature’s spell-like abilities, subject to the restrictions described below. The creature can use that ability as a quickened spell-like ability three times per day (or less, if the ability is normally usable only once or twice per day).

Using a quickened spell-like ability is a free action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. The creature can perform another action—including the use of another spell-like ability—in the same round that it uses a quickened spell-like ability. The creature may use only one quickened spell-like ability per round.

The creature can only select a spell-like ability duplicating a spell with a level less than or equal to half its caster level (round down) –4. For a summary, see the table below.
In addition, a spell-like ability that duplicates a spell with a casting time greater than 1 full round cannot be quickened.

Normal: Normally the use of a spell-like ability requires a standard action and provokes an attack of opportunity unless noted otherwise.

Special: This feat can be taken multiple times. Each time it is taken, the creature can apply it to a different one of its spell-like abilities.

 

[DungeonMaester]

Should be like sorcerers can create new spells since the mechanics are closer. A warlock is strictly limited to the number of invocations he can know (just like a sorcerer) except via the Extra Invocation feat.


By the way Complete Mage has some pretty good Prestige classes for warlocks. Some divine caster/invocation combinations, some arcane spell caster/invocation combinations, etc.

So, in order to create a Invocations A warlock would need a slot open for Invocations. Other than that, it would take the time componet since there are no cost cost.


Im also going to ask my Dm about house rules for bonus Invocations based off a high spell casting score. If im remebering correctly then:

Least: Second level spell
Lesser: Fourth level spell
Greater: sixth level spell

These are what the spell equvilant for invocations, so my thought is a house rule where you get the bonus spells per day for just for the equvilant levels.

---Rusty

 

[irdeggman]

So, in order to create a Invocations A warlock would need a slot open for Invocations. Other than that, it would take the time componet since there are no cost cost.

Remember that they are SLA not spells. There is a huge difference. I'm not sure there are rules at all for researching SLA. Crossing that line might cause problems. Being SLA the warlock gets a "lot" of benefits over a spell caster as has been pointed out in other threads.

Im also going to ask my Dm about house rules for bonus Invocations based off a high spell casting score. If im remebering correctly then:

Least: Second level spell
Lesser: Fourth level spell
Greater: sixth level spell


These are what the spell equivalant for invocations, so my thought is a house rule where you get the bonus spells per day for just for the equvilant levels.

Nope. The invocations very within the level.

Eldritch blast is an invocation that is 1st level, but changes based upon the highest level of essence or shape added to it.

See the errata.

Page 7: Eldritch Blast
Second paragraph of the Eldritch Blast ability description:
Change “An eldritch blast is the equivalent of a spell whose level is equal to one-half the warlock’s class level (round down), with a minimum spell level of 1st and a maximum of 9th when the warlock reaches 18th level or higher” to “An eldritch blast is the equivalent of a 1st-level spell. If you apply a blast shape or eldritch essence invocation to your eldritch blast (see page 130), your eldritch blast uses the level equivalent of the shape
or essence.”

Any other references to eldritch blast being something other than the equivalent of a 1st-level spell should be disregarded. Any other references claiming that eldritch blast is not
an invocation should be disregarded. A warlock can use eldritch blast at will.

Page 8: Invocations and Eldritch Blast
Change this section as follows:

Invocations and Eldritch Blast: Eldritch blast is an invocation. Other invocations provide a warlock with the ability to modify his eldritch blast or add new eldritch attacks

IMO attempting to give bonus invocations (as if they were spells) would cause great problems. Note that if a warlock would get them then so too would monsters with SLA.

Sorcerers and bards do not gain any extra spells known based on high Charisma, although they get more casting per day (which doesn't really help the warlock at all - infiinite + X equals ?)

 

[DungeonMaester]

IMO attempting to give bonus invocations (as if they were spells) would cause great problems. Note that if a warlock would get them then so too would monsters with SLA.

Sorcerers and bards do not gain any extra spells known based on high Charisma, although they get more casting per day (which doesn't really help the warlock at all - infiinite + X equals ?)

1) Yeah, im going with flaws for extra invocation feat.

2) I was drunk last night, so I thought it made sence, but the chart is for bonus spells per day all round.

Heres a question: If any number times 0 is 0, and any number times infinite is infinite, then what is 0 x infinite?

If I do gelstat, withs going to be with swashbulcker. Insightful strike for the win.

---Rusty

 

[irdeggman]

1) Yeah, im going with flaws for extra invocation feat.

---Rusty[/QUOTE]

Won't work unless the DM specifically allows you to take flaws after character creation.

Flaws can only be taken at character creation. The Extra Invocation feat has a prerequsiste of capable of using lesser invocations (which means a 6th level warlock). {You get an invocation of one level less than what you can use}

 

[irdeggman]

Heres a question: If any number times 0 is 0, and any number times infinite is infinite, then what is 0 x infinite?

---Rusty

Are you going to also divide by 0?

 

[KarinsDad]

Heres a question: If any number times 0 is 0, and any number times infinite is infinite, then what is 0 x infinite?

0.

You had a bad assumption: any number times infinite is not necessarily infinite. Any positive number times infinite is infinite. Zero times infinite is zero. Any negative number times infinite is negative infinite.

 

[DungeonMaester]

---Rusty

Won't work unless the DM specifically allows you to take flaws after character creation.

Flaws can only be taken at character creation. The Extra Invocation feat has a prerequsiste of capable of using lesser invocations (which means a 6th level warlock). {You get an invocation of one level less than what you can use}[/QUOTE]

By gum your right. This class is satrting to tic me off. Im not fond of a one trick pony.

0.

You had a bad assumption: any number times infinite is not necessarily infinite. Any positive number times infinite is infinite. Zero times infinite is zero. Any negative number times infinite is negative infinite.

Zero is a possitive number. No offence but College math> Random forum poster.

---Rusty