What would it take for 4E to win over the old guard? (Forked Thread: Changeover Poll)

[JohnnyQuest]

I guess I'm part of the 'old guard'. I've been playing for about thirty years. I like 4E a lot. I haven't voted in the poll, though, because none of the choices are satisfactory.

 

[El Mahdi]

I didn't like any of the voting options, they seemed to be written by someone who hates 4E and isn't trying to be objective.

Dude! Really!

If anything, simply from the poll and the question, I'd think it sounds more like someone who likes 4E, and wants to know what it would take for 3E'rs and other edition players, to play 4E. But I highly doubt that's the case also. I expect that it was just based on curiosity, but I really don't see anything in the OP or the question/poll to ascribe such motives or make such assumptions.

 

[Herschel]

Seriously. No sea elf, locathah, or merfolk. No sea hag, greenhag, or annis.

And the 18 people who care for those over all others count for what? Probably my favorite things from 3.5 are the Anchons, they're not "core" and not in the new, first MM either. The ones you list are niche creatures and not the "common" ones. It's not like they won't be coming, but expecting every critter and humanoid in the first book is rather ridiculous, don't you think.

I was way down on 4E originally: I HATED the giant advancement, healing and a number of other things. But in looking at it as a whole, I found far more I did like than I ever did in 3.5, and here I am.

 

[Herschel]

Dude! Really!

If anything, simply from the poll and the question, I'd think it sounds more like someone who likes 4E, and wants to know what it would take for 3E'rs and other edition players, to play 4E. But I highly doubt that's the case also. I expect that it was just based on curiosity, but I really don't see anything in the OP or the question/poll to ascribe such motives or make such assumptions.

The line "Nothing! It's perfect as-is" REEKS of sarcasm becaquse of the word "perfect".

 

[Serendipity]

Maybe stop trying to win over those still playing 3e?
Who needs a fifth edition? I don't. But then I didn't *need* a fourth either. I've got some fourth edition materials - someday when I find people who are interested in playing, I'll do that. But I'm just as fine with the two 3e games I'm in right now.

 

[El Mahdi]

The line "Nothing! It's perfect as-is" REEKS of sarcasm becaquse of the word "perfect".

That still doesn't mean that the OP hates 4E. That's a response that a lot of people on here have expressed (whether that's a healthy expression or not). He simply put an option on a poll that says what a lot of people here have expressed, and he wanted to see how many people feel that way. How does that mean that the guy who made the poll must "hate 4E"? There's a leap in logic there that doesn't make sense.

 

[SkidAce]

Why does the "old guard" complain that a different edition is different? If you don't want variety, then don't seek it. Plain and simple.

We might be concerned that the new edition is different because eventually all the incoming gamers will consider the new edition the standard. And the version we like/prefer/whatever will slowly fade away into the sidelines.

If we have a lifetime group..then its not so bad. But if you move around a lot (military) its gets harder and harder. Pretty soon you are absorbed into the new standard, just like the borg...

It happens in all aspects of society...why not in gaming?

 

[Wootz]

We might be concerned that the new edition is different because eventually all the incoming gamers will consider the new edition the standard. And the version we like/prefer/whatever will slowly fade away into the sidelines.

If we have a lifetime group..then its not so bad. But if you move around a lot (military) its gets harder and harder. Pretty soon you are absorbed into the new standard, just like the borg...

It happens in all aspects of society...why not in gaming?

You act as though once your particular preferred edition of D&D gets left behind so WotC can work on something else, that people will stop playing it. I've met far more people playing 3e and 2e than 4e players, so I think it's safe to say you'll be covered for a long time, no worries.

 

[Herschel]

That still doesn't mean that the OP hates 4E. That's a response that a lot of people on here have expressed (whether that's a healthy expression or not). He simply put an option on a poll that says what a lot of people here have expressed, and he wanted to see how many people feel that way. How does that mean that the guy who made the poll must "hate 4E"? There's a leap in logic there that doesn't make sense.

I just looked up what the OP voted. Guess I was correct.

 

[SkidAce]

You act as though once your particular preferred edition of D&D gets left behind so WotC can work on something else, that people will stop playing it. I've met far more people playing 3e and 2e than 4e players, so I think it's safe to say you'll be covered for a long time, no worries.

Well I hope you are correct. And overall it's not a worldshaking event.

But philosophically...the inertia of change will eventually sideline the play style I like...and thats ok. You can see it on this board already in my opinion...the 4th edition threads are much more active.

AND they are above the 3rd edition section!!!!!!!!! /insert dun dun dun music.

(just kidding about the "dun dun dun" part...I like making semi serious observations about motivations and why things work the way they do..and sometime stick them in as a laugh)