D&D (2024) What would you put in 1D&D from 4E?

Maybe I wasn't clear. I hate that potions burn your surge for a fixed amount of HP independent of your Surge Value. I love healing surges, but potions in 4e really suck IMHO, specially for defenders.
I think they should give HP based on your surge value, even if it's a fraction of it.
I would want 2 or 3 types of healing potions... a low level "you can spend a HD" a mid level "you can spend a HD and get +1d8hps" and a high level "you can heal as if you spent a HD"
 

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Bolares

Hero
The Leader powers are better, but if you get a healing surge value with the cheapest potion back, you can basically heal yourself every turn at high levels. The extra d6s won't really make that much of a difference at the end of the day. And you certainly don't need Second Wind.
I'm also not saying they should be a full surge value, but they should use it as a base. A fixed amount of HP per potion is really bad for the role that most wants to be hit and endure the battle.
 


Undrave

Legend
There's a lot of stuff I'd want back, but to keep things simple and realistic the ones I would bring back:

1- Actually SHORT short rests. 1 hour is too long. 10-15 min, the basic times of most rituals, works well.
2- Interesting Monster design with roles built in to make encounter design more dynamic and easier to do.
3- The Bloodied condition and all its potential hooks.
4- Mark could also be brought back as a mechanical hook similar to the Bloodied condition. It would help communicate intent very well.
5- Skill challenge framing
6- The Disease track! It was really an easy way to model complex curses, diseases and even long lasting injury. You could have a 'broken arm' and 'broken leg' track, for exemple!

Also, if we can't have Healing Surges back, I'd like to see more stuff that drains HD outside of the just healing in short rests.

I like that. The only similar thing in 5e RAW that comes to mind are creatures that can take additional actions when they've dropped a creature to 0 hit points, which doesn't happen that frequently with 5e PCs to see a lot of use. Mainly I've used it in a "save the villagers" scenario where, e.g., gnolls are rampaging through a village. When they down a commoner and immediately attack another it creates a heightened sense of urgency. If similar things could be done with the bloodied condition, it would force PCs to be more liberal with spell slots and potions for healing.
The one that always stick to my mind is that Dragons automatically recharge their Breath Weapons and use them as a reaction the moment they get bloodied! (4e Dragons were more fun than just 'Two claw attacks and one bite VS Breath weapon'). It made fighting them way more dangerous.

Also, I'm pretty sure the monster stat block told you the bloodied value as a quick reference? If not, it should.

Toll the Dead would be a smaller text block if it could just reference the bloodied condition :p
Less a specific thing ... but I want OneDnD to get some of the more inventive and exploratory energy that 4e had. What is missing from 5e is some of the more experimental stuff that 3.5 and 4e were willing to do. Incarnum, Shardminds, Avengers, Warlords, the last time I saw something that felt even a little of that was the discarded Mystic class.
Races like Shardmins and Wilden were fun. Class wise there was some fun stuff, like you say: Warlords, Avengers, Invokers, Warden, those were really cool. The 4e Monk was way better too.

The Mystic's problem is that it could easily have been sliced up into 2-3 different classes. It just tried to do EVERYTHING too hard.
 

I don't understand why they are so cold on new classes... 3.5 and 4e each had a ton of extra classes
There are subclasses in 5e that are bigger than classes were in previous editions and I'm all in favour of it. About the only thing lost from the Psion by making it a sorcerer subclass (other than it gaining a light whiff of tentacles) is the need to include 70 pages of handcrafted psionic spells to make it work. And the rogue/soulknife is a straight up improvement on the 3.0/3.5 soulknife (not that that's hard).
 


DEFCON 1

Legend
Supporter
I don't understand why they are so cold on new classes... 3.5 and 4e each had a ton of extra classes
I imagine they probably think the same thing about why players are so cold about using new classes that other third-parties make. Why are they the only company that can make a Psionicist that players will accept, when there have been plenty of Psionicists made by other people across the 'net to choose from and use? And if players want a Warlord or the infamous "arcane half-caster"... you can find all manner of versions out there as well. But apparently those don't count?

At some point WotC probably just threw up their hands and said "We went through all the effort to use the OGL for 5E so that players could get everything they wanted out of D&D that we ourselves were not interested or able to make... and yet players don't want to any of it and keep banging the drum for us to make it. We just can't win here!"
 

leozg

DM
1-Consistent description, using keywords, frames, structure, avoiding misinterpretations
2-Class balance
3-Options and customization
4-The way they made different attributes relevant, like Wisdom for Fighter or Strength for Sorcerer.
5-Swordmage
6-Three saves
7-Bloodied condition
8-Paragon paths
 

Most of the list I'm ambivalent towards, but there are two that I would agree with.

First, I already have made Shorts Rests be 10 minutes in my game, and would be more than happy to see 2024E incorporate that (or 5 minutes). To me it made all the sense in the world because how I run a whole bunch of things on a 10 minute timer. It takes casters 10 minutes to perform a ritual, it takes experts 10 minutes to search large areas for secret doors and traps. So while they're doing that... letting the warriors take 10 minutes to rest and bind their wounds (as they are the ones who usually need it more than the casters and experts) makes all the sense in the world to me.
Ten minutes to bind wounds makes sense, but there are so many other things that recharge on a short rest you'd need to worry about in a global/all-players sense. Again, I think a lot of the difficulties arise from what's awesome for one table may not be so great other places.

Something else you could try adding... I'm looking at CR's rules for accelerated rests, and they have rules for accelerated short rests, but they also have an Arduous Rally. Basically, you can pack a short rest into five minutes if you're in a serious time crunch, but any healing HD are halved and everyone takes a level of exhaustion.

Again, every table is different, but where I've been, there has been an insane amount of the 'fifteen minute workdays' full of short rests. Maybe an answer would be to steal 4e's rules where every ability has an Encounter/Daily uses and it doesn't matter how long anyone rests?
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
There are subclasses in 5e that are bigger than classes were in previous editions and I'm all in favour of it. About the only thing lost from the Psion by making it a sorcerer subclass (other than it gaining a light whiff of tentacles) is the need to include 70 pages of handcrafted psionic spells to make it work. And the rogue/soulknife is a straight up improvement on the 3.0/3.5 soulknife (not that that's hard).
Yeah, and that's why it fails.

People want psionics, not just a lazy repaint of magic.
 

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