What's Stopping Me from Gaining Multiple Wishes at Level 12?

[Ozmar]

Just thought I'd run this past ya'll:

My Dread Necromancer just became level 12, giving him access to Planar Binding.

I was doing a little research, and I noticed that Efreeti can cast three wishes a day for nongenies (such as, say, my Dread Necromancer).

Now, I have a stronghold, and have built a permanent binding circle, and I have a clerical cohort to cast magic circles and dimensional anchors.

So, at no further cost to myself, I shall cast planar binding and conjure up a 10-HD efreeti. Sooner or later, one will fail its Will save (and actually, it has to roll a 12 to succeed) and be bound. Efreeti don't have SR, and with his +2 Cha, he can't beat the DC to escape my trap (at least DC 26, I think more due to the permanent circle).

So he's bound. Now normally I can bargain with him (costs gold) or force him to listen to me (an opposed Cha check with a chance that he'll break free), but I am thinking I'll just avoid the hassle and cast geas on him. After 10 minutes, and with no save, he must follow my given instructions (i.e. "grant me three wishes").

Honestly, the only down side I can see to this plan is that I'm going to have to be really creative to think of uses for all these wishes! I can do this at least once a day, indefinitely. Now whenever our artificer says "I'll spend the two weeks that we're resting in making these magic items", I'll just say: "I'll wish for the following 42 magic items".

Naturally, I expect the DM to nerf it. Probably by killing my character with an inevitable after a week or so. But is there any rules-based obstacle that I've overlooked here? It seems to me that any wizard or dread necromancer who gets to 12th level has an easy ticket to some potent powers.

Ozmarius the Wishmaster

 

[Michael Silverbane]

There is no rules obstacle... Other than the rules of good gaming etiquette.

Later
silver

 

[werk]

To losely quote The Dungeonmaster from the old D&D cartoon... For it to rain here, it must be dry somewhere else.

What that means is all causes have an effect. Any DM worth his salt will take this exploit and run with it.

That's neither good nor bad, but when you start embezzelling wishes from a high powered evil creature...it's probably not going to go well.

Rules legal vs. good idea.

 

[Ozmar]

There is no rules obstacle... Other than the rules of good gaming etiquette.

So, in other words, don't be greedy.

I should just wish for a +3 inherent bonus to Cha, instead of summoning two at the same time and wishing for the full +5.

Or I should just keep it "in character", and wish for "immortality" instead of something easy that I know I'd get, like 10 healing potions.

Ozmar the Role-Player

 

[Piratecat]

Actually, I read a rules quote here that forbid this. I wonder if someone will recall it?

 

[IcyCool]

Actually, I read a rules quote here that forbid this. I wonder if someone will recall it?

I believe it was brought up in the last thread that talked about this tactic. Could a community supporter do a search for the unlimited wishes thread from last year?

 

[werk]

Actually, I read a rules quote here that forbid this. I wonder if someone will recall it?

Does planar binding count as a summoning spell?

"A summoned creature cannot use any innate summoning abilities it may have, and it refuses to cast any spells that would cost it XP, or to use any spell-like abilities that would cost XP if they were spells. "

 

[Ozmar]

I believe it was brought up in the last thread that talked about this tactic. Could a community supporter do a search for the unlimited wishes thread from last year?

Ah. I knew I couldn't be the first person to notice this.

Ozmar the Late Bloomer

 

[Jack Simth]

From my 3.0 Monster Manual, page 96: "Efreet are infamous for their hatred of servitude, desire for revenge, cruel nature, and ability to beguile and mislead."

So, you're going to take a critter infamous for a hatred of servitude, desire for revenge, cruel nature, and ability to beguile and mislead, force it into servitude.

Good luck with that.

You're getting wishes out of it. Which the DM is perfectly within his rights to demand be in character wishes. So you can't use any game mechanical terms.

"I want to be stronger"
Duplicate Bull's Strength. Lasts 10 minutes.
"I want to be strong as an ox"
Duplicate Polymorph Any Object. Permanent. Oh, and you now have an Int of 2.
"Oh.... did you have a third wish? Ah, you're in heat now. Sure, I can bring in a suitable male ox."

Of course, even if you find a way to get your wishes safely and send the Efreeti on his way / kill him...

They hate servitude. The Efreeti you captured knows what you did. If dead, other Efreeti might just find out what you did. Efreeti have good Bluff and Intimidate scores. Fire Memphits are native to the plane of Fire as well as Efreeti are. Fire Memphits have no sense motive and a relatively low Will save. Three wishes of the Efreeti's devising, each day, targetted at you, across the planes. Moving someone from an arbitrary point in the multiverse to an arbitrary point in the multiverse is on the safe list of wish. There's some nasty places in the multiverse to send someone.

 

[Nifft]

Does planar binding count as a summoning spell?

Nope, it's a (Calling) spell.

Cheers, -- N