Wheel of Time November Launch. The next GOT or the next Shannara Chronicles?

[doctorbadwolf]

It has been years....but my recollection was that I felt like I was reading the same story over and over, and that the main character never seemed to learn anything. But, like I said, it has been a very long time, and I could be very wrong about that. Why give up? Because there are dozens of other books in my house I haven't read.....I think I was also, at that time, tired of "man gets credit for saving the world while women do all the work".....which, of course, could also be 100% wrong.....

While I think those assessments are off from the mark, I don't blame you at all for seeing the books that way. Rand in particular has a whole middle period where he refuses to budge, and then things happen that make this worse, and then eventually he has a moment of revelation that also brings spring to the land because he is the land.

As for the women in the book, I'd say the latter 2/3 of the book counters that impression very well, but stay away from fandom discourse if you want to not see just...incredible amounts of psuedo-academic misogyny. Seriously...it's bad. Even when I disliked some of the female characters from my first read (back in like 2010, when the Robert Jordan was still alive), I found the discourse about Egwene and Nynaeve pretty disturbing. Later read-throughs (I did my 4th, I think, when the series was finally finished, all in one long shot through the series, skimming through some stuff I don't love in the middle), have actually brought me round to be being huge fans of both characters, but they also just flat out get better as the series goes on. All the characters do.

Even the "slog" is an enjoyable read for me, particularly on re-read now that I am not anxious about the ending.

There are parts I enjoy, but the only reason I still love Perrin is that the whole Two Rivers arc came after the slog and redeemed his whiny uncommunicative butt.

Alternatively, if the Shaido arc was it's own novel and not interspersed across 4 novels with other plotlines, it may have read better.

I expect maybe a single episode of the TV show will cover it, though.

Yeah, I could see maybe 2-3 episodes, at most. Stay true to the books! LOL

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Sure, it comes as their powers grow. They get their fair share of Moments of Awesome. Particularly Egwene and Nyneave

Nynaeve's ride is really good, but I did spend a decent amount of time wishing that her story would at some point become about her. Egwene...oh man I loved her by the end. Can't really say anything more without spoilers.

 

[TheSword]

Nynaeve's ride is really good, but I did spend a decent amount of time wishing that her story would at some point become about her. Egwene...oh man I loved her by the end. Can't really say anything more without spoilers.

Boss!

 

[Parmandur]

stay away from fandom discourse if you want to not see just...incredible amounts of psuedo-academic misogyny.

Heck, that's kind of true across the board, unfortunately.

There are parts I enjoy, but the only reason I still love Perrin is that the whole Two Rivers arc came after the slog and redeemed his whiny uncommunicative butt.

I see where you are coming from, but to have a strong arc you need a starting point. One of the main themes Jordan was going for was the fraught and imperfect nature of communication, which was a bugaboo for him with most fiction (everyone meets back up together and gets perfectly on the same page so the story can continue): his characters get better at communicating, drastically, as they learn, but the fog of war remains at all times.

 

[Parmandur]

Nynaeve's ride is really good, but I did spend a decent amount of time wishing that her story would at some point become about her. Egwene...oh man I loved her by the end. Can't really say anything more without spoilers.

The pay-off was legit.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The pay-off was legit.

Yes. There are going to be some moments in the final season that will be hard to pull off.

Also I just cannot wait to see these actors in their roles. And like, what will the world of dreams look like!? Are they expanding Moraine's role early on rather than waiting to flesh out her story? If so that is potentially rad! How many of us will realise puns we never noticed in print one actors start saying words out loud at us!?

Seriously, some are obvious like Perrin's hammer's name, but sometimes my wife will show me a post from the WoT subreddit and I just...cannot.

 

[Parmandur]

Yes. There are going to be some moments in the final season that will be hard to pull off.

Also I just cannot wait to see these actors in their roles. And like, what will the world of dreams look like!? Are they expanding Moraine's role early on rather than waiting to flesh out her story? If so that is potentially rad! How many of us will realise puns we never noticed in print one actors start saying words out loud at us!?

Seriously, some are obvious like Perrin's hammer's name, but sometimes my wife will show me a post from the WoT subreddit and I just...cannot.

It's tricky, but they have a real shot to make something special. I'm sure pun revelations will be abundant.

 

[Sacrosanct]

It's like the boring parts of Tolkien, without the cool stuff like the songs and the walking.

Seriously, though, Sword of Shannara made me livid when I was 13.

No knowing how to pronounce "Shea". I get it. It's SHE-a, or is it shay?

 

[Parmandur]

No knowing how to pronounce "Shea". I get it. It's SHE-a, or is it shay?

I was literally offended that it was such a blatant rip-off, and reading it was a chore. I've mellowed out and given Brook a chance since, but still the only book of his I've ever actually enjoyed is his autobiography, the rest are just kind of like eating Wheatabix with no milk or yogurt, or water.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I was literally offended that it was such a blatant rip-off, and reading it was a chore. I've mellowed out and given Brook a chance since, but still the only book of his I've ever actually enjoyed is his autobiography, the rest are just kind of like eating Wheatabix with no milk or yogurt, or water.

I’m personally offended by this!

Seriously though, ever read the Magic Kingdom books, or Running With The Demon?