when is bonus dmg added?

[phoenixnemo]

i'm having some problems in determing when and what bonus to dmg is added to powers.

lets say i'm a pit fighter (so i add wisdom to dmg "when i use a weapon"), i have weapon focus (+1/+2/+3 on dmg rolls), i have a magic weapon.

1. if i miss on reaping strike what damage do i deal?

2. if someone stands next to me and i'm using rain of steel, what damage do i deal?

3. if i deal damage equal to some ability modifier to enemies that stand next to me, what dmg do i deal?

thanks in advance.

EDIT. chaged the typo from reaving strike to reaping strike

 

[Boarstorm]

1. Half your str mod, or your full str mod if you're wielding the weapon 2H.

2. Your weapon dice, plus all your mods EXCEPT your ability mod.

3. Some ability modifier

Edit: The trick is that all those modifiers add to damage *rolls* (or in the case of crits, things treated as if they were damage rolls. Straight damage is just straight damage.

 

[phoenixnemo]

and how about the pit-fighter feature? it sais "increase the damage you deal when using a weapon by a number equal to your wisdom modifier"

 

[James McMurray]

1. None, Reaving Strike doesn't have a Miss clause. If you meant Reaping Strike, you add your Wisdom, but not your Weapon Focus. Reaping strike has the weapon keyword, so it will trigger Dirty Fighting. It does not roll damage, so it won't trigger Weapon Focus.

2. What Boarstorm said.

3. If it's with a power that uses a weapon, add your Dirty Fighting. If it makes a damage roll with that weapon, add Weapon Focus.

4e is usually pretty clean on when it wants things to be added. Dirty Fighting is "when using a weapon" so it happens whenever you deal damage with a weapon. Weapon Focus is added to "damage rolls" so it only applies when you make a roll.

 

[Boarstorm]

I suppose that depends on how you define "using" a weapon. I'd say the RAI are that you apply it when you would normally apply your strength bonus in addition to your strength bonus.

 

[Kordeth]

and how about the pit-fighter feature? it sais "increase the damage you deal when using a weapon by a number equal to your wisdom modifier"

You only add modifiers to damage rolls. If something says "inflict X damage," whether X is an actual number or one of your ability modifiers, that's all the damage you do. When you actually roll damage, you add all of your modifiers. If a power says, for example, 1[W] and not 1[W] + Str, you add all your bonuses except your Strength bonus.

EDIT:

Some powers add modifiers to attack rolls or damage rolls. These modifiers apply to any roll of the dice, but not to ongoing damage or other static, nonvariable effects.

It's not just RAI, it's RAW.

 

[phoenixnemo]

dirty fighting doesn't mention at all weapon ROLLS...
it sais you get bonus damage when you use a weapon.

 

[Kordeth]

dirty fighting doesn't mention at all weapon ROLLS...
it sais you get bonus damage when you use a weapon.

It doesn't have to mention weapon rolls. The rule is you only add bonuses to damage rolls, period. If Dirty Fighting were to break that rule, it would specifically say "this bonus applies to static damage inflicted by any power with the weapon keyword."

 

[James McMurray]

It doesn't have to mention weapon rolls. The rule is you only add bonuses to damage rolls, period. If Dirty Fighting were to break that rule, it would specifically say "this bonus applies to static damage inflicted by any power with the weapon keyword."

Where does it say that? The rule you quoted is specifically talking about powers. Dirty Fighting is not a power.

 

[ValhallaGH]

dirty fighting doesn't mention at all weapon ROLLS...
it sais you get bonus damage when you use a weapon.

Which is why you should do what James McMurray said. Namely apply the bonus damage to all attacks and powers that use a weapon. Which will be just about every attack power a fighter has (crazy multi-class powers, throwing off my absolute statements).