D&D 4E Where was 4e headed before it was canned?

[Garthanos]

Lol... this narrows it to what?? Fantasy??

The D&D spell casting system is very specific fantasy ... you think it isnt that deserves the laugh.
and the athletic GOT hero who can jump barely 10 feet because you know realism ought to not go with the other elements honestly.

 

[Imaro]

The D&D spell casting system is very specific fantasy ... you think it isnt that deserves the laugh.
and the athletic GOT hero who can jump barely 10 feet because you know realism ought to not go with the other elements honestly.

But nearly every fantasy series, mythology, etc has it's own magic so again how is D&D having it's own a narrowing beyond it being fantasy? Is Harry Potter magic the same as LotR the same as apalachian folk magic, the same as Cthulhu ritual magic?

Jamie Lannister and Jon Snow fought Dragons with little more than strength and steel and they didn't die... just saying maybe your claims of actions rooted in absurdity aren't all that absurd.

 

[Garthanos]

magical does define what the non-magical can do otherwise what's the point of having magic if the same things can be accomplished through either means? .

In other words suck it up non magical types you are second fiddle and will never get to do the big flashy things out side of combat cause magic can do absolutely anything

 

[Parmandur]

The D&D spell casting system is very specific fantasy ... you think it isnt that deserves the laugh.
and the athletic GOT hero who can jump barely 10 feet because you know realism ought to not go with the other elements honestly.

Yes, the spell system is specific, but the Neo-Vancian version is quite good at simulating what you will see in, say Harry Potter or Wheel of Time, a wide variety of media options. And it can be reskinned easily enough.

 

[Parmandur]

In other words suck it up non magical types you are second fiddle and will never get to do the big flashy things out side of combat cause magic can do absolutely anything

Again, the DMG literally says the opposite of this, repeatedly, with suggestions on what to do. And the most popular Class by a longshot is Fighters, so they aren't too gimped for people's fun.

 

[Imaro]

In other words suck it up non magical types you are second fiddle and will never get to do the big flashy things out side of combat cause magic can do absolutely anything

In my experience the martials/non-magicals don't play second fiddle in 5e.

More to the point? Why are you playing a non-magical type if you want to fly, turn invisible, levitate or polymorph into a wolf? Why aren't you using magic (even if it's a magic item)?

 

[Garthanos]

But nearly every fantasy series, mythology, etc has it's own magic so again how is D&D having it's own a narrowing beyond it being fantasy?

Wait I say it it is very singular and very much ropes in exactly what the caster can do with feather fall for instance ... and you say very singular that makes it generic... no it makes it just one specific genre within fantasy. You do get there are types of fantasy and being a subtype is more narrow than the super class?

 

[Garthanos]

More to the point? Why are you playing a non-magical type if you want to fly, turn invisible, levitate or polymorph into a wolf? Why aren't you using magic (even if it's a magic item)?

Yup my rescue the falling allies stunt is so completely like that ... so completely rolls eyes

 

[Imaro]

Wait I say it it is very singular and very much ropes in exactly what the caster can do with feather fall for instance ... and you say very singular that makes it generic... no it makes it just one specific genre within fantasy. You do get there are types of fantasy and being a subtype is more narrow than the super class?

Yes I do but you're not getting my point so let me try and expalin it better...What I'm saying is that having a magic system (not having the same magic system) is a characteristic of fantasy in general... not a specific type of fantasy.

 

[Imaro]

Yup my rescue the falling allies stunt is so completely like that ... so completely rolls eyes

No but your general statements are arguing for it.