D&D 4E Where was 4e headed before it was canned?


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one where spell casters are all around the table presumably.

It's not a question of whether spellcasters are around the table or not... it's a question of what non-magicals should be able to do. Not everyone or even most people may believe they should be able to naturally do the same things that can be accomplished with magic. Solution: Leave it up to the individual table...

EDIT: If you want to run a game where fighters can fly and rogues can go invisible (whatever justification you use for it) set a DC and have them roll... what's stopping you in 5e? Or is this a case where you expect everyone to run the game you want?
 


Sure, the game is popular, no question. It was designed to be popular, and succeeded beyond what anyone could have imagined.

It's bizarre to me that paying money for less advice on how to run the game is good, but...whatever.

I sorta doubt that Critical Role would disappear if said advice existed, but...ok. 5e is definitely a simpler game, requires less knowledge of the rules by the casual player (as seen in a bunch of streamed episodes) and works well playing drunk. I have no doubt that all of this has contributed to its popularity, and am glad it is selling well.

I just can't believe that a section to help the DM decide what can be done with a DC 25 acrobatics check would hurt.
 



Sure, the game is popular, no question. It was designed to be popular, and succeeded beyond what anyone could have imagined.

It's bizarre to me that paying money for less advice on how to run the game is good, but...whatever.

I sorta doubt that Critical Role would disappear if said advice existed, but...ok. 5e is definitely a simpler game, requires less knowledge of the rules by the casual player (as seen in a bunch of streamed episodes) and works well playing drunk. I have no doubt that all of this has contributed to its popularity, and am glad it is selling well.

I just can't believe that a section to help the DM decide what can be done with a DC 25 acrobatics check would hurt.

It can restrict what a given DM might be inclined to allow, see also: 3E, 3.5, 4E.
 



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