Which artist is best at which creature type?

Hey Zander dude! :)

Zander said:
Hello Krusty, my old china!

How are you? Hope you're doing well. ;)

Not too bad...although it seems Simon and I left our Gencon bookings too late (we tried on Monday and didn't know there was a deadline of last Friday). DOH! :o

Zander said:
For the most part I disagree with you about the dragon illos. Lockwood's dragons have feline postures and over-muscled wings (in the region of the chest/back). Dragons should be more reptilian than anything else and you shouldn't worry about making it look like they have the necessary musculature to fly. They're fantasy creatures after all. I much prefer Elmore's dragons even though I think their forelimbs are too much like human arms.

My favourite draconic illustration is the dragon-wyvern from Dennis Beauvais's Bridge of Sighs (or is that the Bridge of Sorrows?) . Now that's what a dragon should look like!

I'll say this only once, Jeff Easley is, in my opinion, without peer when it comes to painting dragons.
 
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Hi Pants mate! :)

Pants said:
Hmm, I don't know where he'd fit in, but I'd like to see more of Puddnhead's work. He did Lolth and the Waveservant in Faiths and Pantheons. I think he'd do some good Humanoids.

Puddnhead did a lot of illustrations for the Call of Cthulhu D20 book (not sure if you have that one or not?). Some freaky stuff too.
 

Hi CRGreathouse mate! :)

CRGreathouse said:
Who did the phane in the ELH? It looks pretty cool.

That was Raven Mimura. He does some good stuff in both Oriental Adventures and for various Green Ronin supplements (Legions of Hell and Armies of the Abysss are the two that spring to mind offhand).

Though while I liked his rendition of a Phane I thought the Infernal looked like it was having an epileptic fit. :p
 

Upper_Krust said:
Hi Pants mate! :)



Puddnhead did a lot of illustrations for the Call of Cthulhu D20 book (not sure if you have that one or not?). Some freaky stuff too.
Yeah I have that one.
I know I'd seen his work before, but I couldn't remember where. Now I'll have to flip through the CoC book again.
 

Hello Krusty! :)

Upper_Krust said:
...it seems Simon and I left our Gencon bookings too late (we tried on Monday and didn't know there was a deadline of last Friday). DOH! :o
Oops! Even if they don't accept your booking (and they probably will), you should be able to get tickets to all the games on the day. It's very rare they can't squeeze an extra gamers or two in.
Upper_Krust said:
I'll say this only once, Jeff Easley is, in my opinion, without peer when it comes to painting dragons.
{Slap myself on the head} Oh dear, no. Oh dear, dear me! Easley? You're joking, right? :rolleyes: {Stumbles around in shocked disbelief}
 
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Zander said:
For the most part I disagree with you about the dragon illos. Lockwood's dragons have feline postures and over-muscled wings (in the region of the chest/back). Dragons should be more reptilian than anything else and you shouldn't worry about making it look like they have the necessary musculature to fly. They're fantasy creatures after all. I much prefer Elmore's dragons even though I think their forelimbs are too much like human arms.
Another art discussion. What fun.

Well, I disagree with your "issues" with Lockwood. Dragons are huge, flying creatures. It stands to reason that a creature that size (assuming it could develop such a physiology) would have tremendous chest, back, and wing muscles. Also, consider that dragons can't be reptiles anymore than Dinosaurs can't be reptiles. Too fast, no degree of lethargy, don't need to "warm up" (although one could argue that their size helps retain heat), and so on. Illustrating D&D dragons in a reptilian sense would present very sluggish looking beast... which D&D dragons aren't.

As for the rest of the list presented by U_K...

I agree with most of it.

I think WAR is one of the best artists out there and I think his Constructs and Outsiders are among the best. However, his Giants (in the Faerun MM) were fantastic, and I absolutely loved his Illithilich and Banelich in the same book.

Sam Wood is another fantastic artist who I think actually beats WAR with evil Outsiders. The best of his Outsiders appear as inkwashes in Green Ronin's Legions of Hell. They are far more... disturbing looking than WARs. I also think he does fantastic dragons.

I have always, and will always, despise Jeff Easely. His textures are flat and heavy. His color tend to lean to brown and dirty. The facial features of his characters leave a lot to be desired. Why does virtually every character have clawed hands? Why are the images he creates always twisted and contorted looking? His dragons are among the worst in the genre. The wings tend to be too small; he pays no attention to detail; they often look like they're sculpted from clay rather than appearing like living breathing creatures. The only pictures of his I've ever liked was the cover of the 2ed DMG (with the dueling Wizard and Dragon) and Dragonlance painting that featured Dragonlord Verminaard and Ember pointing at Tas. Otherwise, I detest his art.

As for Elmore, he introduced to me to what I thought quality fantasy art was. Although he's not my favorite (Lockwood, WAR, Wood, Keith Parkinson tend to rank closer to the top for me), I greatly admire and respect his work. Clyde Caldwell created some great images over the years, although I think most of the best ones appeared in Dragonlance.

Kieth Parkinson is a master of textures; I love how you can feel the snow in the mural that depicts four of the five Draconians... I love how I can feel the ground tremble and the air turn cold in Lord Soth's Charge! I love how I can smell the ozone in the image of a blue dragon breathing on the head of a gold dragon. Great stuff!
 

Zander said:
Hello Krusty! :)

Hi Zander mate! :)

Zander said:
Oops! Even if they don't accept your booking (and they probably will), you should be able to get tickets to all the games on the day. It's very rare they can't squeeze an extra gamers or two in.

Thank goodness for small mercies. ;)

Zander said:
{Slap myself on the head} Oh dear, no. Oh dear, dear me! Easley? You're joking, right? :rolleyes: {Stumbles around in shocked disbelief}

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

Jeff Easley has done some simply fantastic peices in the past.

Don't force me to hunt down the evidence en masse.
 

Howdy Serge mate! :)

The Serge said:
As for the rest of the list presented by U_K...

I agree with most of it.

Are you sure you don't mean all!? :p

The Serge said:
I think WAR is one of the best artists out there and I think his Constructs and Outsiders are among the best. However, his Giants (in the Faerun MM) were fantastic, and I absolutely loved his Illithilich and Banelich in the same book.

True. WAR, unlike the song, is good for everything.

The Serge said:
Sam Wood is another fantastic artist who I think actually beats WAR with evil Outsiders. The best of his Outsiders appear as inkwashes in Green Ronin's Legions of Hell. They are far more... disturbing looking than WARs. I also think he does fantastic dragons.

I agree that at his best Sam Wood is more than a match for anyone (his stuff in the Monster Manual is simply superb) but lately I just haven't been feeling it from him. :(

...and I think WARs b&w stuff looks better.

The Serge said:
I have always, and will always, despise Jeff Easely. His textures are flat and heavy. His color tend to lean to brown and dirty. The facial features of his characters leave a lot to be desired. Why does virtually every character have clawed hands? Why are the images he creates always twisted and contorted looking? His dragons are among the worst in the genre. The wings tend to be too small; he pays no attention to detail; they often look like they're sculpted from clay rather than appearing like living breathing creatures. The only pictures of his I've ever liked was the cover of the 2ed DMG (with the dueling Wizard and Dragon) and Dragonlance painting that featured Dragonlord Verminaard and Ember pointing at Tas. Otherwise, I detest his art.

Are you crazy dude!? :eek:

What about the 1st Ed. Manual of the Planes cover?

(in fact pretty much all the 1st Ed. Hardback covers, we are talking seminal work here dude!)

The Serge said:
As for Elmore, he introduced to me to what I thought quality fantasy art was. Although he's not my favorite (Lockwood, WAR, Wood, Keith Parkinson tend to rank closer to the top for me), I greatly admire and respect his work. Clyde Caldwell created some great images over the years, although I think most of the best ones appeared in Dragonlance.

I dunno I guess I was never big on Dragonlance and so what really sticks in my mind are the lacklustre peices in the Monster Manual (Titan for instance).

The Serge said:
Kieth Parkinson is a master of textures; I love how you can feel the snow in the mural that depicts four of the five Draconians... I love how I can feel the ground tremble and the air turn cold in Lord Soth's Charge! I love how I can smell the ozone in the image of a blue dragon breathing on the head of a gold dragon. Great stuff!

Now you're cookin'.

His Kostchtchie peice is one of my all time favourites. :D

...and frankly after having seen some of the poor renditions in the BoVD art gallery over on the WotC website I have been hankering for some of the old magic.
 

Hello Krusty! ;)

I have to say that with regards to Jeff Easley's art, I agree with The Serge:
The Serge said:
I have always, and will always, despise Jeff Easely. His textures are flat and heavy. His color tend to lean to brown and dirty. The facial features of his characters leave a lot to be desired. Why does virtually every character have clawed hands? Why are the images he creates always twisted and contorted looking? His dragons are among the worst in the genre. The wings tend to be too small; he pays no attention to detail; they often look like they're sculpted from clay rather than appearing like living breathing creatures.
My favourite fantasy artists are (in no particular order):
  • Larry Elmore
  • Keith Parkinson
  • Clyde Caldwell
  • Chris Achileos
  • Dennis Beauvais
  • Frank Frazetta
  • Gustave Doré
When you come to my place for dinner on one of the evenings before UK GenCon, I'll show you some artbooks with their work in them. BTW Chris Achileos will be at UK GenCon. :cool:
 


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