Which one of you wrote this

[JohnRTroy]

As far as Greyhawk goes--Greyhawk had its own brand logo, with the WoG boxed set in 1983, but I don't think it was as strongly branded until after the first Dragonlance modules game out in 1984. I remember until Dragonlance the WoG modules still had the "plain vanilla" look that Goodman Games duplicated for their classic module lines, so DL did technically come first as being uniquely branded, but did have GH had branding with their modules before FR was published.

 

[jdrakeh]

It's an error. It happens. Anybody using it as an excuse to hate D&D 4e leads a pretty shallow existence.

 

[theredrobedwizard]

Greyhawk is as much a setting as the Points of Light concept is; that is to say, not much of one. It was the default world for D&D and AD&D 1st Edition. FR and DL were the first campaign settings to not be the assumed core setting of AD&D. I don't see the Spelljammer or Mystara or Birthright fans getting in a tizzy for being left out of the next aside list. If you're going to list Greyhawk, you have to list Blackmoor; both were supplements for OD&D. Would you have been happier if they'd have inserted the word Including before Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance?

I guess it all comes down to me hating Greyhawk and being glad it was left out. It'd be like all mention of 'Atlas Shrugged' or Sturm Brightblade being erased from history; a happy dance from this guy.

-TRRW

 

[Aeolius]

I guess it all comes down to me hating Greyhawk and being glad it was left out.

Countered by those of us who ONLY use Oerth as our campaign setting of choice.

 

[thedungeondelver]

As far as Greyhawk goes--Greyhawk had its own brand logo, with the WoG boxed set in 1983, but I don't think it was as strongly branded until after the first Dragonlance modules game out in 1984. I remember until Dragonlance the WoG modules still had the "plain vanilla" look that Goodman Games duplicated for their classic module lines, so DL did technically come first as being uniquely branded, but did have GH had branding with their modules before FR was published.

So now it has to be "strongly branded" to not get flushed down the memory hole? To not be considered a campaign setting?

 

[thedungeondelver]

It's an error. It happens. Anybody using it as an excuse to hate D&D 4e leads a pretty shallow existence.

Right, because that's exactly what I said.

 

[theredrobedwizard]

So now it has to be "strongly branded" to not get flushed down the memory hole? To not be considered a campaign setting?

It's not that it's not considered a campaign setting by WotC. They leave out the word Including and everyone gets into a tizzy.

If they'd have left out my favorite campaign setting from that list, I wouldn't have batted an eyelash. It's not a complete history, it's just touching on most of the major stuff. As stated before; Blackmoor, Mystara, Birthright, Masque of the Red Death, and several other campaign settings were left out of the list as well. They listed the five top-selling campaign settings, I figure that's enough.

-TRRW

 

[jdrakeh]

Right, because that's exactly what I said.

I don't believe that I quoted you in any context, nor directed my comment at you personally. Are you using this error as an excuse to hate D&D 4e?

 

[Henry]

So now it has to be "strongly branded" to not get flushed down the memory hole? To not be considered a campaign setting?

Actually, following that line of thought, Blackmoor certainly gets knocked, because there was no strong branding for it. However:

http://www.pen-paper.net/images/rpgdb/tsr1015.jpg

http://www.pen-paper.net/images/rpgdb/tsr9112.jpg

Pretty well branded product ID to me! And both around 1983, about a year before the first Dragonlance novels. I admit, it's a minor quibble, since the PHB ain't a history book, but I wish it was at least partially correct instead of all wrong. It's just funny that there's a dedication to Gygax in the cover page, but no mention of Greyhawk in the history blurb...

(And before anyone notes it, yes, Ed Greenwood was writing Forgotten Realms stories back in 1969 or so - but as his personal literary playground, not a fully fleshed campaign setting.)

 

[thedungeondelver]

Actually, following that line of thought, Blackmoor certainly gets knocked, because there was no strong branding for it. However:

http://www.pen-paper.net/images/rpgdb/tsr1015.jpg

http://www.pen-paper.net/images/rpgdb/tsr9112.jpg

Pretty well branded product ID to me! And both around 1983, about a year before the first Dragonlance novels. I admit, it's a minor quibble, since the PHB ain't a history book, but I wish it was at least partially correct instead of all wrong. It's just funny that there's a dedication to Gygax in the cover page, but no mention of Greyhawk in the history blurb...

(And before anyone notes it, yes, Ed Greenwood was writing Forgotten Realms stories back in 1969 or so - but as his personal literary playground, not a fully fleshed campaign setting.)

Hey, I'm right there with you!

(henry and I agreeing? I'm scared, someone hold me!)