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D&D 5E Which played-out D&D trope needs to die?

Oofta

Title? I don't need no stinkin' title.
So here, what, you're assuming that there's no options beyond "it's clearly a monster because it looks different; we must kill it!" and a happy fun kid's show. There can't be something in the middle?


So, elves and dwarfs are clearly there to be killed.
The mods shut down threads that veer into this discussion. I'm done. Besides, we'll never agree so I don't see the point.
 

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theCourier

Explorer
so what have you got them doing instead, wise frog on top of troll thing that my sister cares about?
1st things 1st, your sister has good taste!

2nd, Battles against blood cultists, giant antmen that bloodily invade weddings, and delving beneath the earth and finding the lost city of brass! Those are the ones I've played, at least. I find it a lot more engaging to just. Do stuff that would normally be seen as "high level" in low levels with the very real threat of death and with the goal being to survive instead, and maybe make a nice profit off some stolen treasure if possible.
 

Lakesidefantasy

Adventurer
I live by the "This Is What a First Level Dungeon Should Look Like" meme, but sadly, it seems to have disappeared from the internet.

Can that really happen?
 



Tell that to Goblin Slayer, which sold 7 million copies.
one book does not itself make a trend, plus I am less certain of the Japanese fantasy scene but it seems to be based on the standard model Japanese fantasy universe which is fairly odd from my perspective and has most literally randomly appear in dungeons that can spring from nothing so it seems more likely a possibly deconstructive take on their generic fantasy setting as it is made to be anti progression, in the sense of moving on to fight other things.
 




Faolyn

Hero
I live by the "This Is What a First Level Dungeon Should Look Like" meme, but sadly, it seems to have disappeared from the internet.

Can that really happen?
Is it this one?

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Lakesidefantasy

Adventurer
No it is not. The original one does not say "nope" at the bottom.

I wasn't going to post that one because it says the opposite of what I wanted to say. I would replace "nope" with "Yes, yes, yes!"
 



turnip_farmer

Adventurer
So here, what, you're assuming that there's no options beyond "it's clearly a monster because it looks different; we must kill it!" and a happy fun kid's show. There can't be something in the middle.
I've produced a convenient fantasy racism chart for my next campaign; showing the different grades of fear and mistrust characters of different races (and human ethnicities) should expect from the general populace.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
I've produced a convenient fantasy racism chart for my next campaign; showing the different grades of fear and mistrust characters of different races (and human ethnicities) should expect from the general populace.
Well that's certainly a choice. Completely not my jam, but whatever works for your table. How do you quantify "the different grades of fear and mistrust" you describe? DCs on social checks? Adv/Disadv on checks?
 

turnip_farmer

Adventurer
Well that's certainly a choice. Completely not my jam, but whatever works for your table. How do you quantify "the different grades of fear and mistrust" you describe? DCs on social checks? Adv/Disadv on checks?
I don't have a set of quantified rules on this - it just influences how I portray NPCs. If Bill the farmer doesn't trust wood elves (no farmers trust wood elves), he would require additional convincing to believe something from a wood elf than he would from a human, for example. More interesting than just adjusting a DC, which is kind of opaque to the players, is just to have him make the objection ("I've heard about your kind's trickery; why on earth would I believe you?") and let them figure out an argument or supporting evidence they could use to overcome said objection.
 

BoxCrayonTales

Adventurer
Not to pile on, but it's also irrelevant. The discussion wasn't whether or not orcs were monsters, but whether or not they were just monsters.
Well, originally the question was what to use as a go-to antagonist. So I suggested the Dungeons & Delvers-style orcs, which were created specifically as go-to antagonists.

Are [insert monster here] just monsters? The real answer is that they don't exist and these semantic arguments are inane and pointless like most everything else on the internet.

I don't mind having antagonists who are demons in the flesh. I play elf-games for brief escapism from the horrors of this hellish nightmare world I live in, not to have ethical debates about wholly fictional constructs.

EDIT: Also, I think Goblin Slayer is garbage and I'm disgusted with humanity (slightly more than I usually am) that it got so popular.
 
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