Why did they lower spell DCs? (3.5)

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Our group is keeping Spell Focus at +2 but is getting rid of Greater Spell Focus....which I can compromise with but it's regretable that they changed it at all. Two feats for a +2 to saves in one school of magic? I'd rather just take toughness and be done with it.
 

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Yeah truthfully those 2 feats weren't earth shattering. It was the other stuff that was. They could have left these 2 alone, but I can understand why they did it too. One thing I notice though is people compare it to 3.0 TOO much. A lot of things looked like they got "nerfed" but are at least now in balance. At least IMO.
 

Ryan Dancey, former WotC game designer
When designing anything that affects a save DC, the target that should be considered when determining rule balance is the target most likely to be affected by the spell. That means that in the case of a spell with a Fort save, the conspicuous target is a character with a "bad" Fort Save.

"Bad" saves lag 2 to 3 points behind "good" saves, or roughly six levels. So a +1 to a save DC is the same as six levels of saving throw bonuses against the conspicuous target. +2 to a save DC (GSF) is worth 9 levels of saving throw bonuses.

What that really means in practice (because most encounters match the PCs against opponents of roughly the same power level) is that casters with SF and GSF have a 5% to 10% advantage when casting spells at conspicuous targets.

That's a huge, practical advantage in game for the use of SF and GSF. With the old versions of the abilities, not taking SF and GSF was almost always a mistake (and there's nothing worse than a feat that you absolutely, positively should always take - that's what class features are for.) Even with the revised values, pure spellcasters will probably still take them, because the advantages they offer are so significant.
 


Maybe you should add a link to the other thread, and as the person who started the thread you are able to request that a moderator close it for you. :)
 

Good idea. i had a link from the other thread to this one, but Here it is. The same debate continues.

This will hopefully be closed soon...
 

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