'Why I hate 'Lord of the Rings' '

[ConnorSB]

maybe they just quickly and quietly faded away... or ran for the ships... Didn't gandalf say that "it is man alone who will fight the final battle."?

 

[kengar]

So here's a question, gang: in the movie, what happened to the elven archers in Rohan who survived the storming of Helm's Deep? They would have come in handy in Gondor.

Called away to the battles that took place in Mirkwood during the same time.

 

[Vocenoctum]

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Gandalf was reaearching things Elrond didn't know about the ring, like the fact that the text written on it becomes clear when heated. If you had paid attention to the movie, you would have known this.

I think the important part is that none of them had seen the ring for so long, they didn't know THIS was the ring of power. "There are many magic rings, none are to be taken lightly" (or whatever)

There may be plot holes, but Elrond failing to try to kill Isildur to take or destroy the One Ring isn't one of them.

While Elrond shouldn't have slaughtered Isildur for the ring, he certainly shouldn't have just ignored it and forgotten the ring existed.

Isildur died, the ring was lost.... I guess the vaunted Elven Rangers can't watch one dern human?
"I was there when the Will of Man failed"
"And you're just now telling people this, 4,000 years afterwards!"

 

[Wormwood]

So here's a question, gang: in the movie, what happened to the elven archers in Rohan who survived the storming of Helm's Deep? They would have come in handy in Gondor.

How about the shaggy Hill-Men who sacked Rohan with Saruman's Uruk-Hai? Never seen again.

And whatever happened to those Easterlings who were last seen doing the Emerald City March into the Black Gates? Great costumes, great props, great eyeliner---gone, without a trace.

 

[WizarDru]

So here's a question, gang: in the movie, what happened to the elven archers in Rohan who survived the storming of Helm's Deep? They would have come in handy in Gondor.

I was under the impression, in the movie, that all the Elves died on the deeping wall, save Legolas. We never see a single one after Haldir goes down, that I recall.

 

[kengar]

I was under the impression, in the movie, that all the Elves died on the deeping wall, save Legolas. We never see a single one after Haldir goes down, that I recall.

Possibly. It's difficult to say what PJ intended people to think. There are several possible explanations: that all of them were killed is only one of them. As I mentioned before, in the books the elves are fighting the forces of Sauron in Lorien & Mirkwood while the battles you see on-screen are happening. Likewise there are dwarfs fighting alongside the men of Dale (near the Lonely Mountain of the Hobbit) against evil armies. The battles of Helm's Deep & Minas Tirith were only part of a larger war.

 

[WizarDru]

Possibly. It's difficult to say what PJ intended people to think. There are several possible explanations: that all of them were killed is only one of them. As I mentioned before, in the books the elves are fighting the forces of Sauron in Lorien & Mirkwood while the battles you see on-screen are happening. Likewise there are dwarfs fighting alongside the men of Dale (near the Lonely Mountain of the Hobbit) against evil armies. The battles of Helm's Deep & Minas Tirith were only part of a larger war.

Yeah, and I've always considered that something of a mistake on Tolkien's part. The Dwarves are drastically under-represented throughout the series as a race...partly owing, obviously, to the fact that they aren't one of Illuvatar's 'children', but Aule's....but it grates, just a tiny bit, that the Dwarves aren't seen as part of the War of the Ring on center stage, Gimli excepted.

 

[Storm Raven]

Yeah, and I've always considered that something of a mistake on Tolkien's part. The Dwarves are drastically under-represented throughout the series as a race...partly owing, obviously, to the fact that they aren't one of Illuvatar's 'children', but Aule's....but it grates, just a tiny bit, that the Dwarves aren't seen as part of the War of the Ring on center stage, Gimli excepted.

That's because dwarves are a dying race in Tolkien's works and they have just recently fought two very bloody conflicts against the orcs of the north: the Dwarf and Orc Wars where Thorin Oakenshield got his name, and the Battle of Five Armies where the dwarves suffered heavy losses to Bolg's orcish horde.

 

[kengar]

That's because dwarves are a dying race in Tolkien's works and they have just recently fought two very bloody conflicts against the orcs of the north: the Dwarf and Orc Wars where Thorin Oakenshield got his name, and the Battle of Five Armies where the dwarves suffered heavy losses to Bolg's orcish horde.

This is true. Had it not been for the massive defeat that the orcs suffered in the Battle of the Five Armies, the men of the West (and the elves) would have had another front to worry about in the War of the Ring. As it was, Mt. Gundabad & Mt. Gram were greatly reduced in population at the time of LOTR.

 

[pezagent]

Thanks for that link, the article was hilarious.

I think what scares me is when people take stuff like this too literally. I'm not sure who's the bigger killjoy--one who makes fun of something that takes itself too seriously or one who can't take a joke at all.

I will say this... in regards to my dues ex machina er... discussion he reminded me of the only point within the films where it is used--when Gandalf gets "sent back." Edit: Actually, scratch that... I don't agree with him... that Gandalf gets "sent back" isn't part of the plot, it's his explaination of what happened--what actually happened is that he survived. Not an example of deus ex machina...


Very funny article. Totally.

/johnny