why no gnomes?

Introducing D&D Gnomes in Middle-earth...

Okay, to get back to the original request somewhat, and to be altogether rather heretical, here's a way (actually, two ways) to introduce D&D "Gnomes" into Middle-earth:

Quick and Easy Way
There were the Seven Fathers of the Dwarves. IIRC, at least two branches of dwarf kind went east, and two went south, and were not heard from thereafter save only rarely, and then through legend. Perhaps one of those lines developed into what we would term D&D gnomes? In the Fourth Age, after the fall of Sauron (and ere the rise of a new dark power in the east and south) perhaps wanderers from that tribe could come north and west, and settle in Gondor, bringing their strange magics and new songs?

More Dirty and Involved
There were, before even the First Age of the Sun, the Petty Dwarves or Noegyth Nibin of Beleriand. Descended from exiles of eastern dwarf cities (perhaps Khazad-dum, perhaps not), these dwarves lived in Beleriand before the coming of the Noldor. They were hunted by the great elves, and eventually died out in Beleriand, Mim and his sons being the last. But that does not mean there were not more of their race in Eriador, or the Ered Mithrin, or even Rhovanion (perhaps in the hills and mountains bordering the Sea of Rhun). These petty dwarves would have been well hidden (perhaps by illusion magics?) for the last two ages, and like their relations in Beleriand, taken no part in the great tales of the world. Perhaps they further differentiated from their dwarven cousins by taking in some hobbitish blood, for none knoe when the hobbits truly awoke, or whence they came, and D&D gnomes do, in fact, have elements of both races, though a character all their own...
 

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Dark Jezter said:
BTW, has anybody here read The Iron Tower Trilogy by Dennis L. McKiernan? I've heard that it emulates LotR so closely that it's almost plagurism.

I read the first half of the trilogy before it became just TOO much. I mean, the halfling, uncrowned human king, elf lord and dwarf being chased into a haunted dwarven mine, then having their way out pulled down by a tentacled horror? Oh, THAT'S original. :rolleyes:
 
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Dark Jezter said:
BTW, has anybody here read The Iron Tower Trilogy by Dennis L. McKiernan? I've heard that it emulates LotR so closely that it's almost plagurism.

That would be a fairly accurate description of the series.

Myrdden
 


Hypersmurf, you would make a bugaboo proud!

Elfstones a ripoff of the siege of Minas Tirith? Bah! The tree of Minas Tirith is only a poetic allusion to the Two Trees of old. While the tree in Elfstones is actually magical. And maybe elves are somehow involved.
 


Gallo22 said:
Sword of Shannara may be a clone of Rings, but Terry Brooks' other books are great and I've loved everyone of them. If your not reading him just because of the first book, your missing out on some good fantasy. They have all been on the best selling list for a reason. "Scions" is fantastic and his latest trilogy is even better.

I actually have quite a fondness for Sword, Elfstones, and Wishsong.

I hated the followup series (Scions etc), and haven't even bothered with Voyage of the Jerle Shannara - I read Walker Boh's name on the back cover of the first one and thought "Ugh - I'd have to reread the Scions books first", and abandoned the idea.

-Hyp.
 

Morgenstern said:
*Snort* Funny, there ARE gnomes in Tolkien's Middle Earth last I checked. Just tripped over some in the first part of the lost tales ;).

Yeah, but funny, that doesn't at all refute the point that there isn't a single image of gnomes that is mythologically common.

Really? They seem to play just about exactly the way they are prtrayed throughout Norse mythology.

Existing in Norse does not equal "common". If you want something that's mythologically common, try dragons. Or undead, especially vampires. There's vaguely vampiric things all over Europe, Africa and Asia. That's common. Meanwhile in Europe there's 17 things that go by the name "gnome" that have little resemblance to each other.

That stuff, you know, Tolkien was translating during his day job ;).

Yes, that stuff that few fantasy writers since him have read. :) While you may have to go back a long way to find an original thought, most modern writers are getting their thoughts from Tolkien, not from the original source material. And Tokien's fiction is not a "pure" use of that source material by a long shot. He (quite rightly) used and bent the mythological types as he saw fit.
 
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Emiricol said:
That's why, in The 13 Kingdoms when we were working through the history of the setting, my beloved goblinoids enslaved those pathetic beardless dwarves.

Beardless? You might want to take a look at page 12 of the PHB (and pg 27 in the 3.5e PHB). Check the MM entry, all editions. Then you might want to retract that remark, before Gimble hears of it.

Do not meddle in the affairs of Bards, for your name is funny and scans to "Greensleves" :D
 

HS is just in denial folks. In fact he is the High Lord and Emperor of Denial. All the denialist look to him as the source of denying...well anything! ;)
 

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