David Howery
Hero
well, whadduyaknow! Ben couldn't kill Penelope because she was mum to a little boy.
All together now: Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....
All together now: Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....
Why No Lost?
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Krug
Newshound
well, whadduyaknow! Ben couldn't kill Penelope because she was mum to a little boy.
All together now: Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....
It looked like he was still considering it
until Desmond gave him a major nosebleed.
Image on Smokey's room:
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Arnwyn
First Post
That was an alright episode - unfortunately tremendously marred by the lazy retcon.
Ben took Rousseau's baby? Meh. If that were the case, she would have popped him one when she first caught him as "Henry Gale" in her net. (And suggesting otherwise would simply be reaching and making things up, AFAIC.)
*sigh*
Ben took Rousseau's baby? Meh. If that were the case, she would have popped him one when she first caught him as "Henry Gale" in her net. (And suggesting otherwise would simply be reaching and making things up, AFAIC.)
*sigh*
coyote6
Adventurer
Rousseau's primary secondary* motivation was to get her kid back, and killing Ben wouldn't have done that. In addition, it had been years since Ben took Alex; if that was their only meeting, she might not have recognized him as being the guy (Rousseau was a little bit crazy, after all).
*Rousseau's primary motivation would have to have been survival, to have managed to avoid death by Smoke Monster, time-displaced fellows, off-island interlopers (cf. Desmond, Clancy Brown, Nigerian heroin smugglers, etc), Others, polar bears, dead friends, and so forth, for 15+ years, while all alone.
Heck, given that she did somehow survive all that, she may have had a tete-a-tete with Jacob, Richard, the Monster, or some other entity in the meantime that somehow ameliorated her rage against Ben.
*Rousseau's primary motivation would have to have been survival, to have managed to avoid death by Smoke Monster, time-displaced fellows, off-island interlopers (cf. Desmond, Clancy Brown, Nigerian heroin smugglers, etc), Others, polar bears, dead friends, and so forth, for 15+ years, while all alone.
Heck, given that she did somehow survive all that, she may have had a tete-a-tete with Jacob, Richard, the Monster, or some other entity in the meantime that somehow ameliorated her rage against Ben.
LightPhoenix
First Post
Alternatively, she thought that killing Ben would be sure to end in Alex's death, as he threatened when he took her. In which case, she did the next best thing - turn him over to the "good guys." Hardly "reaching and making things up."
Yet he's still quite capable of needlessly killing an unarmed guy who was rushing to his defense. Inconsistent conscience.well, whadduyaknow! Ben couldn't kill Penelope because she was mum to a little boy.
All together now: Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....
Arnwyn
First Post
Yet, from what I remember, she gave absolutely zero indication that this was the guy who took her baby, not even mentioning "oh guys - btw, he was the one who nabbed Alex. Just sayin', as you go on and on debating as to if he is even a member of the Others in the first place". Not even facial expressions, tone, nothing. (Can anyone go back and definitively see if she expressed any form of recognition?)
I'm going to have to go with "reaching". Sorry.
See above.coyote6 said:
Not recognize the guy that stole her baby? Highly unlikely. And note that any time one must explain away logical inconsistencies, flaws, and retcons with "she's crazy" is a significant blemish on the show.
That would be the "making things up" I alluded to with my previous post.
*shrug* It was a retcon. While it made for a good, tight episode, it hurt it as a (already scattershot) series. If we're lucky they'll come up with something to make it fit (as Lost is in the enviable position of being able to re-insert what scenes they need when they need it).
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coyote6
Adventurer
It was almost certainly a retcon, but I don't have a problem with it; if that was the only time she saw him, then it was a guy she saw once (for what? 90 seconds?), 15+ years before, right after she just woke up, and then she lost her kid. Stress does can really futz with memories, and she certainly seems to be a person that's high-strung. I don't find it unbelievable that she wouldn't immediately recognize Ben as the guy.
stonegod
Spawn of Khyber/LEB Judge
I wanted the "corrected" Empire!
