why orc pc?

[wildstarsreach]

If you really want a good perspective of the Drow, read the recent Drow of the Underdark. individuals are considered good or bad based on the individuals worth to society. It doesn't have our societies compansion. It is a hierchy of female dominated power structures. Males and subserviant females are kept or dismissed based on their worth to those coming to power or those in power. An individual who is generally good would have less worth and might either be forced out or flee for their lives. Hence a good drow is more likely as an adventurer.

 

[Gez]

My guess? The heroic orcs of Warcraft III and WoW are far more recent than Drizzt, and far more diversified, so we don't get "Thrawn-clones" in any proportion comparable to "Drizzt-clones".

Thrawn's an orc?

 

[4Egasm]

He took a purposefully (in my opinion) unplayable race, ignored DnD stats, and made him sound really REALLY cool...

...in the "I'm an angsty teenager with a really cool appearance and all sorts of poor me tragedy...but I'm invincible, so high school bullies leave me alone."

In fact, he did such a good job that Drizzt is the poster boy for angsty, EMO, cry baby, tragically noble teenagers that happen to play DnD.

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Now, the problem is that said "Drizzt Fanboys" can't seem to leave the archetype alone and come up with something original.

Why do I suddenly feel guilty for buying and reading all the Drizzt books like they are crack and I'm an addict?

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

If you really want a good perspective of the Drow, read the recent Drow of the Underdark. individuals are considered good or bad based on the individuals worth to society. It doesn't have our societies compansion. It is a hierchy of female dominated power structures. Males and subserviant females are kept or dismissed based on their worth to those coming to power or those in power. An individual who is generally good would have less worth and might either be forced out or flee for their lives. Hence a good drow is more likely as an adventurer.

A good-aligned drow wouldn't survive the Test of Lolth, so they wouldn't live long enough to become an adventurer.

Thrawn's an orc?

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I think he meant Thrall

 

[prosfilaes]

If the player can't be led to be better players and not always play into racial stereotypes, why should I accomodate him by limiting my choices so he doesn't have to play a stereotype? Besides, if I ban drow, he'll only play a rude dwarf, stupid orc, arrogant elf or kleptomanic halfling.

And? Except for the klepto halfling, none of those are going to be problematic in game. Not only that, but there's scores of models and even stereotypes for dwarfs, elves, halflings, and even orcs. Of all those races, only drow has one model and one stereotype to follow.

And isn't it in the nature of a good roleplayer that he doesn't need those choices? There's dozens of non-problematic races introduced in the Races books and elsewhere; play one of those.

We had a player or two who would seek out stereotypes (they didn't do Drizzt or anything, but they would unerringly home in on all the less desirable traits that race or class could have and blow them out of proportion, all the time claiming that they only "played their character").

That's not a stereotype. That's finding an excuse to be obnoxious.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

btw, is there sucha thing as a half drow?

Yeah. Just like the half-elf, except that they get darkvision 60' instead of low-light vision

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Why do I suddenly feel guilty for buying and reading all the Drizzt books like they are crack and I'm an addict?

Dunno. Been speaking with fundamentalists lately? Do you feel guilty for having fun? If so, you've probably been brainwashed by the D&D Amish.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

I think it'll be interesting to play an evil PC who's a member of a race that's assumed to be good (Humans don't count). In the hands of a mature roleplayer, it could be so insidious...

 

[Kmart Kommando]

I think it'll be interesting to play an evil PC who's a member of a race that's assumed to be good (Humans don't count). In the hands of a mature roleplayer, it could be so insidious...

heh heh, my favorite...

I've noticed that our 'Evil Party' games tend to run smoother than our supposedly "Good Only" parties.
The only thing harder to play than any evil is Lawful Stupid.
There's alway a rogueish type who wants to steal from the rest of the Good Party, and one who thinks LG = can't do anything for money, even good things. And there's always a moral dilemma like 2 minutes into the game, which the party never seems to get right.
Yup, Evil is better IMO.

And, back on topic.. What's wrong with playing an evil human, as opposed to playing an evil 'usually good' race? Everyone needs Darkvision, maybe?

I told the players in my Iron Heroes game that they could be pretty much any race they wanted, just build it with the background talents and such, but there is no Darkvision for PC races, or pretty much any normal-ish creatures, and they all chose to be plain 'ol human. Everyone wants a funny suit, if it has Darkvision.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

And, back on topic.. What's wrong with playing an evil human, as opposed to playing an evil 'usually good' race? Everyone needs Darkvision, maybe?

Nothing wrong with an evil human, it's just in the context of this thread there's too much talk about playing a good member of a supposably evil race, so my counterpart is playing it's exact opposite. Humans have always been described as Neutral in most version of D&D I can think of, and there's plenty of examples we can draw on with evil humans.