Why Startrek is Dead (Opinion Thread)

[wingsandsword]

Heh, there is no comparison.

The seeds of war were growning for a couple seasons before the fecal matter hit the dilithium chamber. As much as I love Farscape, no TV sci-fi war has touched the Dominion War as of yet.

I disagree, the Shadow War from Babylon 5 was better then the Dominion War. The Dominion was added in the second season to make a real threat on the other side of the Wormhole, they were foreshadowed for part of a season then they came out swinging. Even the series creators didn't know where Odo came from at first (other than it being implied that he may have come through the wormhole).

The Dominion War was very good, and by far the best ongoing storyline in any Trek series, as it showed something that we really couldn't have seen before and it really gave a chance for some great episodes. Personally I would have loved it if Enterprise had begun a few years later and been the story of the Romulan Wars (just because it didn't make it into the history books what Romulans looked like didn't mean you couldn't show them, just that all the info is secret, lost, or the witnesses never say a thing). The Remans introduced in Nemesis gave them the perfect way to field armies without being seen. Instead we got the lame "Temporal Cold War" which they even admitted they didn't think through in advance.

Babylon 5 was, from it's beginning, the story of the Shadow War, what lead up to it, the side-conflicts it created (The Narn-Centauri War & The Earth Civil War) and the aftereffects and aftermath of the war (the Telepath Crisis, the Drakh plague). Foreshadowing was set up from the first episode, and it all locked together. Foreshadowing, plot arcs, character development, that was all B5's strength because it was written as one contiguous show, designed from the beginning and most of the series even written by the same person.

I like both B5 and Trek, but each one has its strengths. Trek is best for exploring the galaxy and seeing "strange new worlds" on the edge of known space.. Babylon 5 is the story of a huge, galaxy spanning war told in one sitting, told from the point of view of a diplomatic space station caught in the middle of the war, and the side tales around that war, a massive series of interlocking story arcs where problems aren't solved with a bit of jargon and some new particle-of-the-week.

 

[John Crichton]

I disagree, the Shadow War from Babylon 5 was better then the Dominion War. The Dominion was added in the second season to make a real threat on the other side of the Wormhole, they were foreshadowed for part of a season then they came out swinging. Even the series creators didn't know where Odo came from at first (other than it being implied that he may have come through the wormhole).

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the side tales around that war, a massive series of interlocking story arcs where problems aren't solved with a bit of jargon and some new particle-of-the-week.

If you check out my Babylon 5 DVD thread, you'll see that I haven't watched B5 until now. So, I actually had to stop reading your post mid-way through the first paragraph. I'm trying to stay away from anything to do with the plot as I know nothing about it right now except from what I've seen in 6 eps.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

If you check out my Babylon 5 DVD thread, you'll see that I haven't watched B5 until now. So, I actually had to stop reading your post mid-way through the first paragraph. I'm trying to stay away from anything to do with the plot as I know nothing about it right now except from what I've seen in 6 eps.

You really need to hurry up and watch it!

 

[aerofynn]

I believe one of the reasons why the overall quality of ENT is because Ronald Moore left to do Battlestar Galatica. In my opinion, TNG didn't really gel until he came on board. He was a driving force of consistency (not to mention just plain good ideas) for the show.

I had no doubt BSG would be at least decent, if not good when I learned he was involved.

 

[mojo1701]

I believe one of the reasons why the overall quality of ENT is because Ronald Moore left to do Battlestar Galatica. In my opinion, TNG didn't really gel until he came on board. He was a driving force of consistency (not to mention just plain good ideas) for the show.

I had no doubt BSG would be at least decent, if not good when I learned he was involved.

It wasn't so much Moore's involvement, as so much a lack of Berman. It just happens to be a coincidence that the two ideas are related.

 

[John Crichton]

If you check out my Babylon 5 DVD thread, you'll see that I haven't watched B5 until now. So, I actually had to stop reading your post mid-way through the first paragraph. I'm trying to stay away from anything to do with the plot as I know nothing about it right now except from what I've seen in 6 eps.

I'm workin' on it.

I'm trying to average at least one ep a day. Some days I can't watch at all and other days I can catch 2-3 eps. Also, I don't want to burn through it too quickly as I don't have season 2 yet. I hate cliffhangers! When it gets here (just got it off ebay) I'll probably try and speed things up a bit. I like what I'm seeing so far.