Why the beer hate? (Forked Thread: What are the no-goes...)

[Mr. Wilson]

Not saying you are lying, but do you realize how unrealistic this sounds? Or maybe you guys just have another definition of alcoholism in the States? Could you clarify how you define alcoholism?

My father drank a 12 pack a day (Miller lite), my grandfather at least a fifth a day, and I never met my great grandfather, but I'm told he drank as much.

I don't know how else to describe someone else who drinks that much daily.

And no worries, I'm not offended. It is rather unusual.

 

[Jack99]

My father drank a 12 pack a day (Miller lite), my grandfather at least a fifth a day, and I never met my great grandfather, but I'm told he drank as much.

I don't know how else to describe someone else who drinks that much daily.

And no worries, I'm not offended. It is rather unusual.

Ah, while 12 beers a day certainly is alcoholism, and I have no doubt you could drink more than that, my point (which is why I found your original comment odd) is simply that if your father drank 12 a day, he could (if he wanted) most likely drink a lot more. Hence my difficulty with the "outdrinking" comment.

By comparison, during my high school years, I would drink a bottle of booze before heading to a party. A bottle like that equals (alcohol-wise) around 35 bottles of beer. Yet I doubt I could ever outdrink a real alcoholic on a consistent basis, because after a few days of drinking, I would need a break, while the alcoholic would just keep going, day in and day out.

Either way, thanks for clarifying.

Cheers

Edit: What is "a fifth"?

 

[catsclaw227]

This is an interesting discussion.

I liken it to a Benny Hill episode.

I'm having a blast reading it. I can almost hear the music.....

 

[sjmiller]

I must say I have found this discussion to be most fascinating. I understand that for various religious or medical reasons people would disallow or ask to disallow those things that affect them. While I do not agree with the "it happened before with others so it could happen again, so I will now allow things" stance, I guess we can agree to disagree there.

For me, I have a medical condition that requires me to ask that others not smoke in whatever room I am in. This is especially true for clove cigarettes, as they cause an almost immediate reaction. However, smoking outside or in another room is just fine.

As for alcohol, this has never been an issue in any of the groups I have been in over the last 30 years. Casual drinking is fine, and is what is done in those groups. An occasional beer, cider, wine, or mixed drink is not out of the ordinary. I even play in a group with people below the drinking age. In that group the younger players are not offered a drink on the rare occasion that someone brings anything.

I have never been in a group where drinking has been a problem. The one time it came close to that we had a heart to heart talk with our friend. He realized after the talk that drinking was becoming an issue with him, and he took appropriate steps to deal with it.

I have been involved in one group where the smoking was an issue. Because the gaming group tended to meet at one house where people smoked in the house, I had trouble breathing in that house. When the problem arose I told the group that I could not play at that house due to medical reasons. It was then decided that we would play elsewhere. Simple, non-confrontational, and easily resolved.

As I said, I can perfectly understand not wanting smoking or drinking in a gaming group due to religious or medical reasons. If a player (who in just about every case in my experience has been a friend as well as a gamer) said they felt uncomfortable around such activities, I believe all of my groups would sit down with that person to see why they felt uncomfortable, and see what we could do to decrease the feeling without increasing any discomfort for other players. The key, I think, is to find a comfortable middle ground.

If, try as we might, a comfortable middle ground could not be found, then we will most likely accommodate the largest group.

On a personal note, I can say that this sort of conflict resolution does work. I have used something similar to it once, when dealing with a player who has a gaming style I was most uncomfortable being around. We talked about the problem and, since I was the only one truly uncomfortable with it, I chose to leave the group. It was not a decision made lightly, as I rather miss gaming with the others in the group.

Anyway, enough rambling. Just thought I would add a few comments to the mix.

 

[Krensky]

I'm sorry, but when my group sits down to game, we sit down to game, not do anything else that might interfere with it.

First we hand out the barbiturates. Fighters get the blue pills, clerics and magic-users get the pink ones. Then once the three sacred hashish sticks are lit around the miniatures, twelve grams (not thirteen, I mean we're not playing AD&D here folks) of peyote are unwrapped and split into equal piles based on the last experience point distribution. The DM then takes a hit of nitrous for each player sitting at the table while the rest of us begin mixing the cocktails in a large 4-gallon tub. Old d20s that roll unluckily are carefully dissolved in a mixture of heroin and cocaine before being added to the base along with ten cups of everclear, burgundy rum, orange juice, and a couple of dollops of schlitz. The DM is then given two tabs of acid before being carefully stripped naked and lowered into a meditative isolation tank of menthol, ammonia and chocolate from which he can shout out the directions of what we can do and where we can go, assuming he can fight off the bats.

That, my friends, is the only true way of playing D&D.

Wait... Which supplement did Hunter S Thompson write again?

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Ah.....Either way, thanks for clarifying.

Cheers

Edit: What is "a fifth"?

Yeah, I probably should have clarified that I meant in one setting, as oppossed to day in day out drinking. That, I'm happy to say, never happened.

A fifth is 1/5 of a gallon of hard liquor (in his case, whiskey).

 

[kitsune9]

Forked from: What are the no-goes for you?
Now, it was far from everyone on the other thread, but I've seen more than a few object to any kind of alcohol at gaming whatsoever.

Don't get me wrong - I think complete drunkenness can disrupt any semi-serious game. (With a caveat that being drunk makes games like Kobolds Ate My Baby awesome.) I'm on board with that being a deal-breaker - in fact, I uninvited a guy who'd down a six pack in the first 20 minutes every session.

But a six pack of a delicious microbrew (like anything by Three Floyds) shared among the group? I don't get the objection, honestly.

Now, I can see "We're all underage" or "We game with a recovering alcoholic." But otherwise, could you explain?

-O

Usually, once someone becomes buzzed, much less drunk, is what drives other players or the DM batty because there is a noticeable difference in how people play even when they are just buzzed. They do minor and annoying things like forgetting to flank when they are a rogue, power attacking as a fighter, or taking longer than usual on their turn.

I played with buzzed players and it was frustrating to have a serious game where we needed to have our gameplan on and they would forget to do things that they wouldn't normally forget if they were completely sober.

 

[sjmiller]

Edit: What is "a fifth"?

A fifth is a measurement, usually of alcohol, equaling one fifth of a US Gallon. A fifth is about 25 fluid ounces or approximately 750 milliliters. It's one of those odd, older measurements that are rarely used these days outside of the liquor industry.

 

[Jack99]

A fifth is a measurement, usually of alcohol, equaling one fifth of a US Gallon. A fifth is about 25 fluid ounces or approximately 750 milliliters. It's one of those odd, older measurements that are rarely used these days outside of the liquor industry.

When you buy a bottle of hard liquor in the US, what is the normal size? 1 liter or 70 cl? Or is it 75 cl (a fifth)?

 

[Mr. Wilson]

AFAIK, a fifth is the standard bottle of hard liquor in the United States.