Willow - Official Teaser Trailer


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Ryujin

Legend
Where did I say perfect? I said better. I'm sad that no one seems to think anything matters in fiction. If you can never make the world better, why bother trying to make it better?
I didn't say "perfect" either. And have you never read or watched anything that had a happy ending? That's the world getting "better."
 

Apparently Val Kilmer will also return at some point as Madmartigan in the Willow series.

Val Kilmer Will Return As Madmartigan In ‘Willow’ TV Series, Show Creators Say

I've been wondering since Kilmer has been recovering from a tracheotomy surgery for throat cancer treatment that damaged his voice.

This could mean we'll see Warwick and Val together again on the big screen after so many years. I really, really, really hope they don't pull a Star Wars sequel trilogy [REDACTED] and kill off Val's character before a reunion happens with Willow.
 

Taking a human life is evil because we have sentience. A wolf killing a rabbit is not evil. A human killing a deer is not evil, in most situations. If we ever found another species to have developed enough to have even some sentience, killing that animal would be elevated to evil as well.
 

Apparently Val Kilmer will also return at some point as Madmartigan in the Willow series.

Val Kilmer Will Return As Madmartigan In ‘Willow’ TV Series, Show Creators Say

I've been wondering since Kilmer has been recovering from a tracheotomy surgery for throat cancer treatment that damaged his voice.

This could mean we'll see Warwick and Val together again on the big screen after so many years. I really, really, really hope they don't pull a Star Wars sequel trilogy [REDACTED] and kill off Val's character before a reunion happens with Willow.

No, I don't think he is physically in it, as the articles talk about him not being available to fly in to where they were filming. And his voice is about gone too. So maybe they went and did a couple of remote shots with him and went back to the movie and edited together a couple of lines of dialogue to use for a scene.
 

No, I don't think he is physically in it, as the articles talk about him not being available to fly in to where they were filming. And his voice is about gone too. So maybe they went and did a couple of remote shots with him and went back to the movie and edited together a couple of lines of dialogue to use for a scene.

He might not physically be in season 1 because he couldn't come to Wales during lockdowns, but depending on how things go, a possible season 2 might see Val come back on screen as Madmartigan.
 

Ryujin

Legend
Taking a human life is evil because we have sentience. A wolf killing a rabbit is not evil. A human killing a deer is not evil, in most situations. If we ever found another species to have developed enough to have even some sentience, killing that animal would be elevated to evil as well.
Dolphins have saved humans and other animals from predators, like sharks. They have also been known to torture other animals to death, apparently for the fun of it.
 

MarkB

Legend
Looks like DnD movie everyone has wanted. Also, why is there a balance of good and evil in every universe? Why can't there be more good? It's a terrible message that we are destined to have evil.
For what it's worth, I sympathise. There's a similar notion in Star Wars, that the Force is the universe trying to understand and balance itself, and no matter who comes out on top in any particular conflict, it will continue to manifest strong Force users who will be drawn to the light or dark side, to tip the balance back again.

I found that notion utterly depressing - the idea that there could never be a lasting peace in the setting, that conflict was fundamentally inevitable. Pretty much everyone else seemed to think it was awesome.
 



Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Taking a human life is evil because we have sentience. A wolf killing a rabbit is not evil. A human killing a deer is not evil, in most situations. If we ever found another species to have developed enough to have even some sentience, killing that animal would be elevated to evil as well.
Animals are sentient, they can feel pain, have emotional responses to sensory stimuli including fear. If sentience is what makes killing humans evil then so is killing bambi.

however that whole conception of killing is evil is flawed, since on a cosmic scale a single life is meaningless - Life is just the way the planet recycles elemental particles since fundamentally we are all just left over star dust swirling through infinity
 
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Gradine

Final Form (she/they)
For what it's worth, I sympathise. There's a similar notion in Star Wars, that the Force is the universe trying to understand and balance itself, and no matter who comes out on top in any particular conflict, it will continue to manifest strong Force users who will be drawn to the light or dark side, to tip the balance back again.

I found that notion utterly depressing - the idea that there could never be a lasting peace in the setting, that conflict was fundamentally inevitable. Pretty much everyone else seemed to think it was awesome.
Kreia did nothing wrong
 


Animals are sentient, the can feel pain, have emotional responses to sensory stimuli including fear. If sentience is what makes killing humans evil then so is killing bambi.

I keep forgetting this place is still part of the internet and even here a person has to be super precise or the nitpicking starts. Humans have self-analysis and abstract reasoning, other species do not.
 

Dolphins have saved humans and other animals from predators, like sharks. They have also been known to torture other animals to death, apparently for the fun of it.

Which is why a lot of people consider them and porpoises the closest to human-level thinking and awareness and could make that leap to our level with a little prodding, like in David Brin's Uplift books.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Animals are sentient, they can feel pain, have emotional responses to sensory stimuli including fear. If sentience is what makes killing humans evil then so is killing bambi.

So, there is no broad agreement on your first assertion - in that we don't have a broadly accepted definition of "sentience". Indeed, feeling pain and having emotional responses are not in most of the definitions I can find.

Most often, "sentience" is considered to require some (not thoroughly agreed upon) level of abstract reasoning and self-awareness - an animal that is aware that it is thinking, and aware that others are thinking, too.

Feeling fear, and feeling pain may simply be part of stimulus-response loops, without any consideration of the pain or fear that we expect when we say, "sentient being".
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
So, there is no broad agreement on your first assertion - in that we don't have a broadly accepted definition of "sentience". Indeed, feeling pain and having emotional responses are not in most of the definitions I can find.

Most often, "sentience" is considered to require some (not thoroughly agreed upon) level of abstract reasoning and self-awareness - an animal that is aware that it is thinking, and aware that others are thinking, too.

Feeling fear, and feeling pain may simply be part of stimulus-response loops, without any consideration of the pain or fear that we expect when we say, "sentient being".

no sentience is the capacity to have feelings in response to stimulus, self awareness is a measure of sapience which while related is still independent.

Moreover the measure of self awareness and abstract reasoning is still not well understood but the ability to recognise self, to solve problems and to distinguish between different categories of things has been observed in pigeons, crows, dogs, pigs, babboons and of course apes.

whether the capacity to distinguish between categories is limited to concrete particulars or can be abstracted to general concepts (ie Imagination) is the big question of what actually distinguishes Human sapience from mere sentience
 


wicked cool

Adventurer
im intrigued by the trailer . Warwick Davis is the selling part for me and the party formation at the end.

However it does look at times like a teen movie .
 

Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen (He/Him)
There was a novel in the 90s. I think it was by Chris Claremont (of X-Men fame) and Lucas (well, listed as coauthor). I didn't read it.

Yes, Claremont wrote a trilogy of fantasy novels that are a sequel to the film, Chronicles of the Shadow War. They were awful, and I really, really hope this series doesn't reference them.
There was also a novelization of the film, with George Lucas and Bob Dolman listed as authors, and Wayland Drew as "Adapter", which I recall being pretty decent.
 

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