Wish, scrolls and magic items

[Plane Sailing]

In 3.5 Wish can be used to wish for any magic item which could be created, yes? The balancing factor is that in addition to the 5000xp for casting wish you also have to expend double the xp that would normally be required for creating that item.

What if you get a scroll of wish and wish for a magic item? What is the balancing factor there? How would you rule it as a DM?

 

[green slime]

In 3.5 Wish can be used to wish for any magic item which could be created, yes? The balancing factor is that in addition to the 5000xp for casting wish you also have to expend double the xp that would normally be required for creating that item.

What if you get a scroll of wish and wish for a magic item? What is the balancing factor there? How would you rule it as a DM?

I believe the standard is an item up to the value of 25,000gp.

 

[DarkJester]

I'd limit it to 25,000 gp myself. I don't like the idea of players putting more exp into a scroll, and I also wouldn't want to give the players some great magic item for the price of a scroll of wish.

 

[Hypersmurf]

What if you get a scroll of wish and wish for a magic item? What is the balancing factor there? How would you rule it as a DM?

Notice that the 28,825gp scroll of wish in the DMG carries the footnote:
Assumes no material component cost in excess of 10,000 gp and no XP cost in excess of 5,000 XP.

I would take the Permanency scroll as a precedent:
Includes experience point cost up to 2,000 XP.

Now, to me, it looks like the 10,125gp cost of that scroll should in fact be 11,125; 1,125 for a CL9 5th level spell, and 10,000 for 2k XP. The 10,125 doesn't quite seem right.

But if we assume it's really 11,125, it gives us an idea for how to handle Wish; if you want a Wish scroll to be able to create a magic item worth more than 25k, you can 'store' XP on the scroll at creation time. But the market price of such a scroll will be higher by 5gp/XP stored.

An off-the-shelf DMG scroll of wish has no such stored XP, as the footnote makes clear.

-Hyp.

 

[green slime]

Interesting concept, Hypersmurf. Wouldn't have occured to me to let the wish enscriber dedicate more XP/gp to increase the benefit. Would there then be a suitable upper limit?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Wouldn't have occured to me to let the wish enscriber dedicate more XP/gp to increase the benefit.

It might not have occurred to me, save that the scroll of Permanency obviously includes some stored XP.

-Hyp.

 

[Bad Paper]

What if you get a scroll of wish and wish for a magic item? What is the balancing factor there? How would you rule it as a DM?

I don't really see the problem, e.g:

You have a scroll of wish. You wish for a potion of cure light wounds. You lose 4 xp.

You have a scroll of wish. You wish for a mirror of life trapping. You lose 16,000 xp.

What's the problem?

 

[Hypersmurf]

What's the problem?

The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard) and must provide any material component or focus the spell requires. If casting the spell would reduce the caster’s XP total, she pays the cost upon beginning the scroll in addition to the XP cost for making the scroll itself.

The 4XP or 16000XP are part of the XP cost of the spell. The XP cost is paid when you start crafting, not when the scroll is used.

-Hyp.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Notice that the 28,825gp scroll of wish in the DMG carries the footnote:
Assumes no material component cost in excess of 10,000 gp and no XP cost in excess of 5,000 XP.

I would take the Permanency scroll as a precedent:
Includes experience point cost up to 2,000 XP.

Now, to me, it looks like the 10,125gp cost of that scroll should in fact be 11,125; 1,125 for a CL9 5th level spell, and 10,000 for 2k XP. The 10,125 doesn't quite seem right.

But if we assume it's really 11,125, it gives us an idea for how to handle Wish; if you want a Wish scroll to be able to create a magic item worth more than 25k, you can 'store' XP on the scroll at creation time. But the market price of such a scroll will be higher by 5gp/XP stored.

An off-the-shelf DMG scroll of wish has no such stored XP, as the footnote makes clear.

-Hyp.

neat solution to the problem. Thanks Hyp!