Witch Girls Adventures

[Channelm]

Somehow I missed this the first time through. So what do you mean by this? Does this take a G rated game and ramp it up to PG-13…or Does it take a PG game up to R? Is it meant to play the villains, or is it meant to play anti-heroes, or just darker games? Or is it all just a little refluff???

Either version can be played G to PG-13. In either version you can play a wicked witch. The Wicked edition justs gives more focus on the wicked witch.

 

[roguerouge]

Oh dear... first, being a "witch" isn't all about Wiccan.

Well, duh. Did you read the bios at the site I posted? And in my experience presenting at conferences on witchcraft, the number of pagans in the audience and as presenters vastly outnumber the number of say, Muslims or Christians. There is some overlap.

I'm pagan myself, which is why I reject the blatant sexism in this game even more than I normally would.

Please present your evidence for blatant sexism in the game. You've asserted something fairly serious, but provided no examples, no quotations, nothing. I'm willing to hear you out on this one, although to the extent that it is sexist, then my experience with the media coordinator of that organization tells me that the flaw will be pointed out.

You will find most people following a pagan tradition (which includes as much males as females btw) will feel rather insulted by games/books/movies/TV shows like this one mostly for the sexist stereotypes it portrays.

Again, did you read the link I posted? 3 women and 4 men are included there amongst the site's major contributors.

And, again, since you haven't presented any evidence for your opinion beside "I'm offended!" it's hard to take your opinion about what ALL PEOPLE of a particular faith will feel.

This game does a disservice to pagans, and it also does a disservice to girls with putting them into stereotypes most girls I know want to get out of. It feels so wrong I am feeling slightly sick just thinking about it.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Perhaps you could explain why?

 

[roguerouge]

Hmm, come to think, Charmed is really a disgrace to TV, isn´t it? Why isn´t the witch/girl community doing something about it? I´ll ask my girlfriend to stop watching it.

As a Buffy fan, I could not agree with you more. Since I always give series a full season to win me over, I suffered through a full season of Charmed, discovering that, yes, it really is written to showcase costume changes. Second worst TV experience after suffering through the first season of Babylon 5.

 

[carmachu]

Why do we need a game specifically marketing to girls? Math is too hard?

This just seems a very... self-serving sort of game. I have no issue with a setting or developing something for a market... but it just seems kind of condescending to say that a game should be made specifically for girls.

Because girls and boys are different? And perhaps arent looking for the same thing in a game? Becuase its obvious in the toy industry boys and girls dont always want the same thing....otherwise all toys would be the same...instead of transformers and GI Joe vs My little pony and disney princesses....

 

[carmachu]

Quick question:

I can add the regular edition to the cart, but the wicked edition doesnt have a cart on paypal, just goes to log in....is the wicked edition ready or just a glitch?

 

[Lwaxy]

And i´m sure there would have been loads of ways of creating D&D without the stereotypes contained about:
- Mythology.
- Medieval Culture.
- Magic.
- Ancient History.
- Fighters.

D&D really shouldn´t have happened.

The few stereotypes in D&D, like certain types of creatures needing certain alignments and fighters being dumb, can easily be ignored. The game is what you make of it, so no, D&D is in no way comparable to this witch girl game.

Hmm, come to think, Charmed is really a disgrace to TV, isn´t it? Why isn´t the witch/girl community doing something about it? I´ll ask my girlfriend to stop watching it.

Charmed is one of those shows that shouldn't have ever happened. There is a lot of discussion about it on several community boards. I didn't even know much about the show (hardly watch TV) until a few years ago when a neighbour kid asked me if I was anything like the women in the show... Gah.

But seriously, what do you want the pagan communities (there are quite a few) to "do about it?" Do you really think a TV show producer would care about what a minority without much of a lobby thinks? And I've been told the show is a hit among the non-pagan female population, likely because it portrays women as powerful.

Edit: And please, by all means, describe a "decent witch-based RPG."

Must not have

- roles exclusively filled by one gender, especially not a presentation suggesting males can't be witches

Shouldn't have

- colour schemes associated with "girly" stuff - news to the world, plenty of girls hate those colours anyway.
- characters all portrayed as if from a teenage fashion magazin

Must have

- equal opportunities for males and females
- a way to "let girls be girls" without putting so much weight on gender stereotypes. While plenty of girls like those stereotypes (well they need to come from somewhere) there are as many who do not. And strengthening stereotypes might be good for the sales, at least for a while, but it isn't good in the big picture.
- a way to tie it into the real world that does not make it a mockery of any faith or makes you think of certain TV shows or books - or just simply place it in a fantasy setting, an alternate earth would do fine

Should have

- a clear explanation that it is just a GAME and in not related to any pagan lifestyle - yes this should be a no brainer, but it isn't. It is weird how many kids, especially girls, seem to think that stuff like Charmed or those Witch Girl books do resemble what RL "witchcraft" is all about.


Now of course this game is based on books so can't stray much from the path, which is the main problem. But that aside, many GMs could create a setting "mostly for girls but if boys want in fine" for their teenage players. Actually, I think I will do that if they show any interest in such an idea.

 

[Channelm]

Quick question:

I can add the regular edition to the cart, but the wicked edition doesnt have a cart on paypal, just goes to log in....is the wicked edition ready or just a glitch?

It's a glitch. I'll rebuild paypay button today.

 

[Crothian]

Are you guys going to be at Origins or Gen Con?

 

[Channelm]

The few stereotypes in D&D, like certain types of creatures needing certain alignments and fighters being dumb, can easily be ignored. The game is what you make of it, so no, D&D is in no way comparable to this witch girl game.



Charmed is one of those shows that shouldn't have ever happened. There is a lot of discussion about it on several community boards. I didn't even know much about the show (hardly watch TV) until a few years ago when a neighbour kid asked me if I was anything like the women in the show... Gah.

But seriously, what do you want the pagan communities (there are quite a few) to "do about it?" Do you really think a TV show producer would care about what a minority without much of a lobby thinks? And I've been told the show is a hit among the non-pagan female population, likely because it portrays women as powerful.



Must not have

- roles exclusively filled by one gender, especially not a presentation suggesting males can't be witches

Shouldn't have

- colour schemes associated with "girly" stuff - news to the world, plenty of girls hate those colours anyway.
- characters all portrayed as if from a teenage fashion magazin

Must have

- equal opportunities for males and females
- a way to "let girls be girls" without putting so much weight on gender stereotypes. While plenty of girls like those stereotypes (well they need to come from somewhere) there are as many who do not. And strengthening stereotypes might be good for the sales, at least for a while, but it isn't good in the big picture.
- a way to tie it into the real world that does not make it a mockery of any faith or makes you think of certain TV shows or books - or just simply place it in a fantasy setting, an alternate earth would do fine

Should have

- a clear explanation that it is just a GAME and in not related to any pagan lifestyle - yes this should be a no brainer, but it isn't. It is weird how many kids, especially girls, seem to think that stuff like Charmed or those Witch Girl books do resemble what RL "witchcraft" is all about.


Now of course this game is based on books so can't stray much from the path, which is the main problem. But that aside, many GMs could create a setting "mostly for girls but if boys want in fine" for their teenage players. Actually, I think I will do that if they show any interest in such an idea.

I was going to stay out of this. I really wanted too.

The book has a disclaimer inside about not promteing or being a representation of an actual belief system. If you look at the game faq on the site you'll see;

Why are there no wizards?
Most witches in our game are girls (although you can play a boy witch if you’d like!) If you want to play a game with wizards, muggles, dark masters of magic and mystical schools in England using these rules, you certainly can. Witch Girls Adventures is a very flexible game, so while there are no wizards in the rules as we’ve written them, in your game you can add them if you please.
Do this book and site promote witchcraft?
No. This book is a work of entertainment-based fiction. It promotes no particular real world religion or belief system, at all. It’s all make-believe and designed for fun and entertainment only.

I'm sorry the game offends you . I have no doubt it'll offend some people.

When making the game I had two Wiccan friends a couple (Male and female) go over it and I asked them, "Let me know if you find anything overly offensive. They said no.

That's good enough for me, I trust these people and their understanding and faith in their faith.

That being said.

CHARMED SUCKED!





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[Wepwawet]

CHARMED SUCKED!

I kinda liked it. It was a soap opera with magic, some funny moments and, as someone said, the main characters were powerful women, and you don't see that much.