Witch Girls Adventures

[roguerouge]

Shouldn't have

- colour schemes associated with "girly" stuff - news to the world, plenty of girls hate those colours anyway.
- characters all portrayed as if from a teenage fashion magazin

So, in short, you're against all things femme.

Must have

- equal opportunities for males and females
- a way to "let girls be girls" without putting so much weight on gender stereotypes. While plenty of girls like those stereotypes (well they need to come from somewhere) there are as many who do not. And strengthening stereotypes might be good for the sales, at least for a while, but it isn't good in the big picture.
- a way to tie it into the real world that does not make it a mockery of any faith or makes you think of certain TV shows or books - or just simply place it in a fantasy setting, an alternate earth would do fine

And you've still not answered why it is that single gender activities are bad. You've still not answered why femme is bad. You've still not explained what text of the game makes it a mockery of a faith.

You've ignored the actual game every step of the way, exclusively commenting on the art work.

You've not presented an informed opinion, which is the only opinion that matters.

 

[Channelm]

I kinda liked it. It was a soap opera with magic, some funny moments and, as someone said, the main characters were powerful women, and you don't see that much.

I agree with the last part.

Speaking if sort if, The Rule book has a special dedication to a TV show about magic. The Orginal and one of my favorites "Bewitched".

 

[Lwaxy]

Did you read the bios at the site I posted?

*snip*


There is some arguing among English speaking pagans about that site you posted the link for. I can't say I like it much, either, it is just not my type of thing. Anyway, I'm a bit allergic to "Wicca" by now because most of the time if time someone hears about me being pagan and they do not associate it with some book or TV show, it is assumed I mean Wicca.

I never said that "all" pagans would dislike this. Most would probably not care either way as they are used to all that "charmedy-girly" stuff out there by now. I keep hearing stories from the owner of the pagan shop I frequent, though, how young girls, sometimes not even teens, come in there and want to be like this or that witch in some TV show or book. Then they ask for all those "witchcraft for beginners" books written by people without any knowledge marketed as Charmed merchandise.

On the forums, there's hardly a week without some Charmed-or-whatever-else fangirl coming in and ask about how to be a witch and get around doing RL stuff like homework or how she can curse her teacher or get a love charm for the boy she likes etc. Usually accompanied by "how many people did you curse/hex" and such. It is not only an inconvenience, it clearly shows how paganism is misinterpreted thanks to shows like charmed and books like Witch Girls. Then strangely, when the parents find out the girls (and the occasional boy) have been to our forums, suddenly it is OUR fault for putting something in the kid's heads... yeah right.

This is of course the same for almost all shows/books being set in RL surroundings - if there would be a prominent Christian show out there, let's say an exorcist traveling and freeing people of all the demons, you could expect the kids liking the show thinking of the Catholic church being made up of exorcists and other demon-fighting folks. As the Catholic church does exist RL, kids will transfer over elements from make believe.

Yes, in an ideal world, kids should be able to tell the difference but they are not always able to do that. Or do not want to do that because the make believe is more fun - as in Charmed.

And now we even get an RPG promoting just that. Even if it is clearly just a game, I'm sure plenty of girls will try out witchcraft in a RL setting. Without having any clue. Maybe they will also feel superior to boys (many of the wannabe-witches visiting the forums do). And that does make me feel queasy.

As for the sexism, it is so very obvious. Only girls are the witches. The colours suggest that this is what a "real girl" should like. The characters could all be models looking at how slender they are.

 

[Lwaxy]

So, in short, you're against all things femme.

Erm, those things aren't "femme" they are annoying stereotypes. Most women do not look like that, not even girls. We are a population where more and more people are overweight, and to think that out of 5 girls all would have ideal weight is a bit too far fetched. And thinking back to my teen years, I was the only girl in my class liking those colours (weird seeing how I was otherwise a tomboy). And my son used to like them, but was very scared to admit it because his friends would think him "girly" for it.

And you've still not answered why it is that single gender activities are bad. You've still not answered why femme is bad. You've still not explained what text of the game makes it a mockery of a faith.

You've ignored the actual game every step of the way, exclusively commenting on the art work.

You've not presented an informed opinion, which is the only opinion that matters.

If the activity promotes sexism, it is bad. Teenage girls tend to think they are better than boys. Games like this one reinforce that idea, and I'm very uncomfortable with this. You can very well have single gender activities without making the game world gender imbalanced.

The mockery comes from not having any male witches. The PCs are all female. It makes witchcraft look like a teenie-girl activity. Even if this could be seen as a good point for it being only a game, it will be taken wrong. There will be plenty of girls who will mix it up with RL stuff, especially because in the general population a witch is seen as female already. At least where I live.

Anyway, I need to get going or I'll miss my appointment. Hopefully I'll find the thread again later.

 

[Jhaelen]

Seconded. I've gamed (mostly D&D, with some M&M) with a lot of women but I'm very aware of the fact that they're playing the game despite the fact that its marketing and much of the gaming community is (admittedly sometimes unthinkingly) exclusionary to them. So anything which works against that is a bonus in my book.

Thirded. I think this is an excellent idea and I hope it's going to be successful for the publishers.

One of the female players in my group (who is also my DM in another group) wrote a thesis about roleplaying games and during her research also looked into all-girl groups and commented on the noticably different dynamics and focus.

She'll be interested to hear about this one!

 

[ArghMark]

Sorry for the slightly off topic comment, but -

A TV series with an exorcist (possibly part of a conspiracy) going around dispelling demons and breaking up strange evil cults sounds..

COOL!

I could imagine a cross between say the old british show Ultraviolet and something like Millenium or X-files. A young priest, losing his faith, has it validated by demons; he not only has to deal with his own issues about that (Why doesn't God reveal himself?) but also slavering tentacle-cults from Hell itself.

- Christian here.

- end off topic awesome idea

 

[Channelm]

Thirded. I think this is an excellent idea and I hope it's going to be successful for the publishers.

One of the female players in my group (who is also my DM in another group) wrote a thesis about roleplaying games and during her research also looked into all-girl groups and commented on the noticably different dynamics and focus.

She'll be interested to hear about this one!

Thank you
Anything you can do to spread the word is appreciated!

 

[Hexmage-EN]

I cannot believe that I'm reading claims about how RPGs will cause young girls to try witchcraft in real life on a RPG fansite. I guess this game will continue corrupting the souls of children for the glory of Satan where Harry Potter left off.

 

[Charwoman Gene]

I cannot believe that I'm reading claims about how RPGs will cause young girls to try witchcraft in real life on a RPG fansite.

Where? I only see this game being persecuted by pagans. Unless you are seeing this on another site and forgetting to link to it, it's kinda deliberate baiting.

 

[Keefe the Thief]

*snip*
As for the sexism, it is so very obvious. Only girls are the witches. The colours suggest that this is what a "real girl" should like. The characters could all be models looking at how slender they are.

Dude, you´re unbelievable. The COLOURS suggest this is what a "real girl" should look like? Does that mean that slim adventurers in D&D books are out, especially if they´re painted in brown, because it means that "real men" look like that?

And you have my condolences for the mass of girls which will swarm your poor forums. It was as bad, i think, when Albedo the hard-sci-fi RPG came out in which all player races are anthropomorphic animals. The furry boards were FLOODED with girls thinking their ancestors are animals, i´m sure....

Nah, cant continue this. Just too weird.