D&D 5E With the release of each new setting book, the SCAG looks worse and worse...

[noko]

If it's so easy, then why aren't YOU doing it? You could write it all up yourself and post it to DMs Guild and get people to buy it from you.

Oh right... because that wouldn't be real. You need real Forgotten Realms. And the only way the story of the Forgotten Realms is real is if people who work for the brand that controls the Realms writes something that the brand then publishes. If that happens, then what was written was real Forgotten Realms. Anything else that anyone else does isn't real, and thus doesn't matter.

But as has been said time and time again... the brand that publishes the Realms has stopped caring what is and isn't real anymore. They aren't concerned with canon. The need for a long, drawn-out, ridiculously overwritten timeline and history of hundreds of locations over dozens of millennia is gone. The people who control the brand just... don't... care. They are off the canon treadmill. Because it's a waste of time, a waste of money, and a waste of energy. And it serves no purpose except to make a few obsessive-compulsive fantasy history buffs happy. But the people who control the brand aren't here for you anymore. They're now here for the other 99% of the population who only care about the Forgotten Realms for what it can do for their game. Not for the history books, but for their game.

If it's useful for everyone's game at the table, like say for an adventure that people can actually sit down and play... then sure they'll fill in some details like for the Sword Coast or Chult. But they aren't going to write setting details just for the sake of it because some people have this ridiculous need for their history book to continually be full. If you want your history book full... then write it yourself and finally accept the fact that the stuff you write is real for your Forgotten Realms campaign game. It is now just as real as anything Christopher Perkins may write.

Well...WOTC is famously trapped in their contract with Ed Greenwood so they must publish something FR every year or lose the rights. As it is right now they are writing some new stuff in new settings and linking it to FR and plundering every hoary old module out there. They might as well expand upon the Moonsheas and whatnot. What else can they do? Not that I'd actually use their version but it might be interesting/useful.
What I am not interested in is them slapping out a 6e. I feel as though they nearly jumped the shark with 4e, hauled back fairly well with 5e and should work on content. Maybe some new (original!) adventures while they wait for Ed to die.

 

[Maxperson]

What is posted on the DMs Guild is the pdfs of the original Greyhawk books, adventures, and supplements.

So while it might not meet your needs, its quality and sufficiency are the same as when it was published.

Yep. I already spoke of the general crappiness of the originals. There was very little put out in 2e and little of that was of any good quality.

 

[DEFCON 1]

I think this guy was unnecessarily harsh on you Gyor. Also kind of wrong. They are making such books for MTG and Eberron so his argument is Null.

Well, I've made the same argument to gyor the last 37 times gyor has made the argument that a full-on campaign setting book HAS to happen... so it's a dance neither of us is unfamiliar with.

But just to point something out... the book they made for Eberron has almost nothing new in it. It's all the same historical information they have written in their 4E and 3.5 books. Thus making it much easier to copy um, I mean write those sections.

And as far as MTG? Those are NEW setting books. RPG players don't have 30 years of past Ravnica or Theros material to use for their Ravnica or Theros game. As opposed to the Realms player who wanted to run a game in Turmish-- they have more than 30 years of Turmish details from all kinds of places and books they have probably never even looked at, let alone used... so any bit of past Turmish detail could be used for their potential game right now.

Unless of course their game doesn't actually matter and what matters is their history book. But if that's the case, then they are and will continually be disappointed.

 

[Prakriti]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an Icewind Dale Adventure with a Gazeeter in the next 2 years, plausibly six months.

2 years, maybe. 6 months, unlikely. We know Chris Perkins and Kate Welch both have books slated for this year, and neither of those books sound like they will be set in Icewind Dale. I doubt we're getting 5 books this year.

 

[noko]

2 years, maybe. 6 months, unlikely. We know Chris Perkins and Kate Welch both have books slated for this year, and neither of those books sound like they will be set in Icewind Dale. I doubt we're getting 5 books this year.

Depends on how their writers are responding to being locked in their houses.

 

[gyor]

Well, I've made the same argument to gyor the last 37 times gyor has made the argument that a full-on campaign setting book HAS to happen... so it's a dance neither of us is unfamiliar with.

But just to point something out... the book they made for Eberron has almost nothing new in it. It's all the same historical information they have written in their 4E and 3.5 books. Thus making it much easier to copy um, I mean write those sections.

And as far as MTG? Those are NEW setting books. RPG players don't have 30 years of past Ravnica or Theros material to use for their Ravnica or Theros game. As opposed to the Realms player who wanted to run a game in Turmish-- they have more than 30 years of Turmish details from all kinds of places and books they have probably never even looked at, let alone used... so any bit of past Turmish detail could be used for their potential game right now.

Unless of course their game doesn't actually matter and what matters is their history book. But if that's the case, then they are and will continually be disappointed.

Yes 30 years of out of date lore. This 5e FRCG wouldn't be as needed, but they keep jumping the timeline forward and hitting the setting with things like the ToT, the Spellplague, and Sundering and lesser apocalypses, causing radical setting changes. Not that I'm complaining, keeps the setting fresh and exciting.

We will keep having this dance 37+ times more until a 5e FRCG type book comes out!

I've learn nothing if not the only way in life to get what you want is to be enough of a pain in the arse until your opposition gives in. I have the patience of a cat and the stubbornness of a talking donkey.

 

[Maxperson]

Yes 30 years of out of date lore.

None of that lore has changed.

This 5e FRCG wouldn't be as needed, but they keep jumping the timeline forward and hitting the setting with things like the ToT, the Spellplague, and Sundering and lesser apocalypses, causing radical setting changes. Not that I'm complaining, keeps the setting fresh and exciting.

Nah. Change for the sake of change is usually bupkis. Nothing after the Time of Troubles has hit my world other than what I and the players have done to it via gaming. Trying to add in the new bad stuff would just invalidate decades of gaming that my group has done in the Realms.

I've learn nothing if not the only way in life to get what you want is to be enough of a pain in the arse until your opposition gives in. I have the patience of a cat and the stubbornness of a talking donkey.

None of your "opposition" is here. None. WotC doesn't come here to find out what they should do next. Being a pain in the arse here is a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Eyes of Nine]

As opposed to the Realms player who wanted to run a game in Turmish-- they have more than 30 years of Turmish details from all kinds of places and books they have probably never even looked at, let alone used... so any bit of past Turmish detail could be used for their potential game right now.

Hey! I'm running a game in Turmish. I wish they wrote a book for it. But I've been using the FR wiki page for most of my info; and added some stuff - like the ruined city of Shellhaunt that used to be Shellford Moors - a nice town of mostly tortles.

 

[Eyes of Nine]

Well...WOTC is famously trapped in their contract with Ed Greenwood so they must publish something FR every year or lose the rights.

Can you cite a source for this?

 

[Demetrios1453]

Hey! I'm running a game in Turmish. I wish they wrote a book for it. But I've been using the FR wiki page for most of my info; and added some stuff - like the ruined city of Shellhaunt that used to be Shellford Moors - a nice town of mostly tortles.

Yeah, there's very little official written information on Turmish, mostly a few pages in the various campaign settings, and a few more pages in the 2e Vilhon Reach accessory. Not a particularly good example for the previous poster to select...