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I guess the players will buy the new settings created by 3PPs but the sourcebooks about crunch will have to await until the 5.5. Ed.

I spent a lot of money buying 3.5 sourcebooks, and I love my collection, but now I don't want to buy again the updated version of the old "crunch". And I feel in 3.5 with the same number of pages there was more text, and with this more crunch or fluff.

And D&D isn't "the only coke (botle) in dessert" ( = it isn't the only option, I can choose among others also). After D&D some new players may have discover other titles: Pathfinder (2), Starfinder, Call of Chulthu or World of Darkness.
 
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A video game doesn't have to be good to turn a healthy profit, that's why the video game industry is the way that it is. Being great can lead to a lot of money, but even mediocrity can cover payroll and keep the lights on.
Yeah but I still get the impression it was a lot less successful than hoped.

I'm well aware of the "doesn't have to be good", but equally, even a well-reviewed game can fail to meet expectations if it just doesn't sell, and Dark Alliance wasn't well-reviewed and didn't sell.

As you say, the Game Pass was probably the saviour here. It's a real pity they didn't just do a straight sequel to Dark Alliance 2 though - people would have absolutely eaten up a very straightforward D&D-inspired isometric dungeon crawler/Diabloclone, and they'd have been able to get way more out of the same resources with that approach.
 

No it’s not, why do you hate say Wild Beyond the Witchlight given you apparently know nothing about it.
Why are you making things up and getting mad about them?

I didn't say anything of the sort. You obviously don't find it acceptable for people to be even mildly critical of things you like, which is not a good way to live.

In future, if you don't want to get blocked, why don't you actually read my posts, instead of making up things I didn't say? Also, unlike some of those books, I do have access to Wild, and it is definitely only "okay". I certainly don't "hate" it or any OTT bollocks like that. I'm not sure 5E has any products worthy of actual "hate" or that level of negative feeling. As for reviews, so I should ignore reviews, ignore what people I trust say, and just what mindlessly buy every WotC product so I can personally go "Wow it was exactly like everyone said it was!"? That seems a very "rich kid spending daddy's money" approach to the world. If that's not your suggestion, what exactly, is?

Cause all I have seen of you is you saying that everything sucks.
This is 100% your problem, and also obviously not true. Also "all I seen"? Yeah, because you haven't followed my posts for very long, and are pretty new on the board.
 

Let's remember the market of videogame online is very hard, and the server of lots of titles are closed after some years. Not even the biggest studios can avoid some failure. And after a couple of years the videogames loses value. It is not only competing with rival brands but with old but cheaper titles what don't need the last graphic card.

And it is not only Dark Alliance. There are other videogames based in Hasbro franchises what haven't worked too well.
 


Zaukrie

New Publisher
I think some of the comments here are over the top..... But I agree with the general statement that 5e is too generic and many of the adventures are in need of a lot of work. There is never a stretching of the boundaries, like Strixhaven was just another generic magic school..... And had nothing to do with how magic works in MTG. That seems to be working for sales, but I'm buying less and less......
 

Once a week usually. I either have insufficient imagination, have been at it too long, or set the bar to high. Probably a combination of all three. I didn't have any trouble when I was 12, but then the stuff I made when I was 12 was rubbish.
I'm going to go Sigmund Freud on this and say, the fact that you're saying the stuff you made up when you were 12 was rubbish, combined with the fact that you didn't have problems making stuff up then strongly suggests this is a classic case of "setting the bar too high"!

Unless your group has been telling you your stuff is rubbish (which could be indirect of course, but be sure you're reading what's actually there!), I think you're probably holding yourself to a higher standard than they possibly would! :)
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
In future, if you don't want to get blocked, why don't you actually read my posts...

Mod Note:
Hey. Not cool. Pretty condescending and appealing to "authority" of being here longer.

Even people who have been here decades can be misunderstood from time to time. And even if the other person is kind of deep into a preconception about what you mean, threatening to block them is not going to get them to rethink much. I mean, maybe they'll rethink whatever good impression they had of you previously, but they won't rethink their reading of your arguments.

The point you want to be rude and dismissive to someone is the point you should not respond. Walk away until you can be the better person.

If you don't believe that this was rude, imagine I opened this with, "In the future, if you don't want to get booted out of a thread...." Would that make you feel good and understanding? Probably not. The Golden Rule applies. Treat people as well as you want to be treated.
 

darjr

I crit!
I think some of the comments here are over the top..... But I agree with the general statement that 5e is too generic and many of the adventures are in need of a lot of work. There is never a stretching of the boundaries, like Strixhaven was just another generic magic school..... And had nothing to do with how magic works in MTG. That seems to be working for sales, but I'm buying less and less......
Witchlight didn’t stretch boundaries? The critical role book with a rival party didn’t? Theros didn’t?
 



Let's remember the market of videogame online is very hard, and the server of lots of titles are closed after some years. Not even the biggest studios can avoid some failure. And after a couple of years the videogames loses value. It is not only competing with rival brands but with old but cheaper titles what don't need the last graphic card.

And it is not only Dark Alliance. There are other videogames based in Hasbro franchises what haven't worked too well.
Dark Alliance didn't fail because the market is hard.

It failed because it's absolutely atrocious game on every level, particularly gameplay.


53% is shockingly bad. Most games that get called "bad" or "mediocre" are in the 65-75% range or even into the 80s. Very few professionally-designed games manage to score that low. And D&D games usually get a few free points just for being D&D.

As for "other Hasbro franchises have failed too", absolutely true, yes! Hasbro and WotC have an astonishing record of manage to licence their products to exactly the wrong people. It's really genuinely been a horror show for like 20 years now. About smart licences WotC have ever done with D&D have involved the word Neverwinter (the MMO is very "mid" but it's not insultingly bad at least, and NWN1 & 2 were pretty decent), or I guess BG3 which is looking alright. Not a great record. There was a particularly sad period of about a decade when WotC sold the D&D licence to er... I forget if it was Interplay or Atari, but whoever it was then just essentially sat on the licence for a decade, until WotC had to actually sue them to get the licence back. And since then WotC's decision-making has not improved.

WotC now owns two game studios:

1) Archetype Entertainment, which has several Bioware veterans (particularly some senior Mass Effect guys), but who have existed since early 2019, still haven't got enough staff to even really make an AA game, let alone an AAA one, are still hiring, and whilst it looked like they were going into production last year, that doesn't seem to have happened. They've never released a game. I would be unsurprised if they shut down without ever releasing one in 3-5 years. I hope they release an awesome CRPG. It just seems a bit unlikely right now.

Note that the US games industry right now is rife with companies like this - a few key/impressive senior employees who previously worked at Bioware, Bungie, Blizzard, or the like, who have hired like 30-70 Bright Young Things, who aren't as senior but have some experience or are new to the industry but well-qualified, and pretty much none of them have actually released any games, and most of them don't even seem to have an AAA game in development.

2) Invoke, who used to be Tuque Games, a small Canada-based studio who have never made a good game, only a very mediocre one nobody played, and the truly awful Dark Alliance, and who claim to be working on an AAA game. They also don't appear to have enough employees for that to be true, but we shall see.
 

I am a bit surprised being here for nearly a decade is considered pretty new. New compared to you I guess.
The idea that I only "only say things suck" when I've been basically beaten senseless for liking stuff that was unpopular or controversial, like y'know 4E, really doesn't say "I've been here a long time and know your work" lol. Sheesh, I've gone to bat at length for elements of 5E and some of the books (like Tasha's and the UA that lead to it), but maybe that doesn't count?

EDIT - Posted this before I saw @Umbran's post - I can delete or whatever if that's right
 



Zaukrie

New Publisher
Oh.

Well that I do not want. This edition has essentially killed the bloat problem. Something I didn’t believe was possible but I had hopes.
I have hope that one dnd will add some things for classes to do that add variety.... And make room for new ideas. I don't need to return to a rule book every month, but 5e , for me, needs some expansion. I get many don't agree.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
Publisher
5E-based Kickstarters appear to be underperforming a little since the 1D&D playtests started coming out, compared to similar previous projects. Nothing drastic yet, but it's starting to become noticeable. This is just anecdotal observation, though; I haven't gathered any industry-wide statistical data or anything.
That seems to be my observation as well. Which makes sense. A healthy part of the D&D community wants to see what changes are coming before buying any material, particularly from 3PP. Heck, I've had customers ask me directly how my stuff is compatible with 1DND, so it's definitely out there.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
Publisher
I have hope that one dnd will add some things for classes to do that add variety.... And make room for new ideas. I don't need to return to a rule book every month, but 5e , for me, needs some expansion. I get many don't agree.
If I were a betting man, I'd bet there is still some sensitivity about making too many changes to the core game after what we saw with 4e. They are there to sell as many games after all, which doesn't always marry to scretching boundaries and expanding creative leeway.
 

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